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Let me start by saying - this is a controversial video. It is not nasty or hateful towards Sharkbrew (that title was just click-bait)

This video is intended to make you think and hopefully bring about a discussion.

Most of you will HATE it

some of you wont care

very few of you will understand

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Pure community forums, awards, tables and leagues are the reasons clans exist and compete. This include the flames and drama, which is why clans exist for the most part.

 

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If you take away the peer pressure - you would lose the competition and the reason behind it.

 

People want to brag about their clans, wins and awards etc.  Otherwise, there would only be rev clans left that are after better loots. Additionally, there is an abundance of game and clan tools, hooks and applications offered on the site, which is a free privilege.  You get people to know about your clan as well. You get members and recognition and motivational rewards.

 

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2 minutes ago, Fake Smile said:

Pure community forums, awards, tables and leagues are the reasons clans exist and compete. This include the flames and drama, which is why clans exist for the most part.

 

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If you take away the peer pressure - you would lose the competition and the reason behind it.

 

People want to brag about their clans, wins and awards etc.  Otherwise, there would only be rev clans left that are after better loots.

 

Love the insight you put into this post.
I think this reasoning is a great starting point for a discussion
 

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3 minutes ago, Ascent Enterprises said:

Love the insight you put into this post.
I think this reasoning is a great starting point for a discussion
 

Thanks. Btw, nobody is going to delete your topic, as it is not communism and you do have a right to express your opinions. Although, it is not that big of an idea either. In a logical sense, what you're saying  is similar to ,,let's delete NBA and just watch how players and teams have fun playing basketball".

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On the other hand, I would like to see a system that would require you to engage. I am not sure what happened to clan declarations, but that was close to what would be needed rn. I love the RAW list we used to have pre-eoc. When you had to get your way up by challenging other clans. Love the full-outs for #1 spot etc.

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I have no interest in deleting or hiding your topic, it does what sharkbrew values most. Generates discussion. 
 

Having said that, you have a very interesting video. I’ll agree with most things you’ve said, however let me give you a POV that’s tried to make change in the community for the better. It’s very hard to get community events up and going due to the fact of clans don’t want to support eachother. If eop is on the same side as foe then foe doesn’t wanna eop won’t come, etc. Its not as black and white as people think and it actually does create a divide. 
 

another good example is our recent EU vs USA event. EU actually took it serious and the US got slaughtered. Until a certain level of respect/give a damn is reached we can’t even begin to hold eachother accountable. 

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39 minutes ago, Purefect said:

I have no interest in deleting or hiding your topic, it does what sharkbrew values most. Generates discussion. 
 

Having said that, you have a very interesting video. I’ll agree with most things you’ve said, however let me give you a POV that’s tried to make change in the community for the better. It’s very hard to get community events up and going due to the fact of clans don’t want to support eachother. If eop is on the same side as foe then foe doesn’t wanna eop won’t come, etc. Its not as black and white as people think and it actually does create a divide. 
 

another good example is our recent EU vs USA event. EU actually took it serious and the US got slaughtered. Until a certain level of respect/give a damn is reached we can’t even begin to hold eachother accountable. 

I agree with you completely on the difficulty of getting clans together. I have experienced this, like you, when i organized the Red vs Blue some years back here on Sbrew. It takes lots of patience and listening and reasoning.


The challenge for a "Pure Community" Site is and always will be finding enough value to GIVE clans - where clans actually want to participate and do so accordingly.

@Fake Smilebrings an interesting point up about the RAW list, which has been absent for years.

The previous community sites have for the most came up short (in my opinion) on establish enough value for clans - hence why they're dead.

Sharkbrew and the original PureCommunity forums have been the best we've had

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The fact of the matter is that a cohesive community environment isn't a one way street where clans site there and demand for the community site to give value to them. There has to be a fair exchange of value where clan leaders agree to work towards agreed goals of the community or the scene.

The centralized community offers more than just a place to flame each other- it gives outsiders an insight into how active our community is, and in my plans

We aim to demonstrate benefits of joining out scene to players who aren't already in the scene. Your proposal of eliminating a centralized portal is extremely dangerous as player experience of the pvp clan scene would then hinge on the first clan they join. Sharkbrew offer players a choice to choose.

While we can't eliminate toxicity- lets face it the only reason why we use this forums is to see ingenious insults thrown at each other from opposing clans. It also gives clan members something to boast about and that certainly helps morale in the long run.

If you want to see what happens when a centralized community disappears? Take a look at the decline of activity and eventual closure of Zybez and how the migration of main clans to their own twitter accounts probably increased the toxicity across the board as now... there is no place to call clans out for their bad behavior. Social disorder thrives when there is no accountability

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2 hours ago, puppyslush said:

The fact of the matter is that a cohesive community environment isn't a one way street where clans site there and demand for the community site to give value to them. There has to be a fair exchange of value where clan leaders agree to work towards agreed goals of the community or the scene.

The centralized community offers more than just a place to flame each other- it gives outsiders an insight into how active our community is, and in my plans

We aim to demonstrate benefits of joining out scene to players who aren't already in the scene. Your proposal of eliminating a centralized portal is extremely dangerous as player experience of the pvp clan scene would then hinge on the first clan they join. Sharkbrew offer players a choice to choose.

While we can't eliminate toxicity- lets face it the only reason why we use this forums is to see ingenious insults thrown at each other from opposing clans. It also gives clan members something to boast about and that certainly helps morale in the long run.

If you want to see what happens when a centralized community disappears? Take a look at the decline of activity and eventual closure of Zybez and how the migration of main clans to their own twitter accounts probably increased the toxicity across the board as now... there is no place to call clans out for their bad behavior. Social disorder thrives when there is no accountability

I just read this topic you linked here

I would say that THIS is exactly the direction the community needs to stand behind

It is a bit concerning there wasn't more engagement on that thread..

this is why i've mentioned that Sharkbrew has the potential to take the Pure community to places above previous attempts

The challenge here is getting people to rally behind the vision of what could be

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I would agree on most of your points but you also need to realize nothing changes without a mentality shift of clan leaders. Regardless of how much we've Tried to set nice/fun events up for clans theres always one clan thats against it strictly to either spite us or spite a rival that's participating in the event. We can do so much from our end but really it all falls back to clan ranks. Hell, if theres anyone to blame short term of the misguided trusted from clan sites its those formed for the purpose of ipgrabbing/email farming. 
 

 

In terms of def being a issue i hear you but 1 defense is just bad for the pure community atm and I'll explain. The current meta items for pvp/cwa don't fit a 1 def meta. I've been clanning for almost 11 years and we can't compare pre-eoc to osrs. I'm all for 1 def but we would have to agree to play on terms thats balanced/makes sense rather then playing based on updated meta shifts w/new item realeses. 
 

 

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I think a good handful of the staff members here appreciate your honesty and concern. However, this idea that if a community site was eliminated that it would generate less toxicity and more growth isn’t true in practice. Zybez shutting down actually caused a substantial amount of harm to main clans and their scene, simply because that buffer that used to exist between clans no longer existed. It became harder for some groups to reach out to newer people because they lacked name recognition, and actually made toxic behavior worse. They don’t socialize, they don’t go to each other for fights, they just crash each other endlessly which isn’t healthy for their scene.

You seem to think that this community *does* offer a value to clans and participants (as you mentioned near the end of your video), which runs counter to the larger point you tried to make. Furthermore, we have been trying to actively engage with clan leaders and community members, and we’ve been toying with ideas that *WILL* give them a much louder voice and bring them into the administrative processes here, but every time something new is proposed, the trolls come out of the woodwork and slam the idea(s) as useless and then we’re back to square one. Clans don’t want to see members of rival clans have an impactful voice on the scene, so rather than working together with us, they tear each other down in front of us, which doesn’t accomplish anything.

The problem isn’t SharkBrew. The problem is the isolationist and tribalist mentalities that a lot of clan leaders and members have developed. We’ve voiced these concerns before. If anyone wants to be part of our process here, PLEASE message us. If you want a voice, reach out, we *WILL* and *DO* listen. We care about this community just as much as you guys do and want to see it thrive, and we welcome new ideas and fresh perspectives.

Again, I appreciate the video and the conversation you’re drumming up. If you want to work with us on making the scene the best it can be, I’d love to have a direct conversation with you so we can discuss these details more thoroughly.

 

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Very interesting post, I don't think removing sharkbrew would help the community at all. It just sucks that clans avoid fights because they're scared to have a loss posted on sharkbrew. If every clan took on fights for the sake of getting action it would be wonderful, because the core members of these clans deserve the action.

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I appreciate the topic in order to get a discussion going. I do agree that there should be more accountability. However, I disagree with your point that we should get rid of Sharkbrew or a Sharkbrew type platform. Member to member engagement between different clans is good for competition and expanding one's familiarity with the scene and its make up. Also, the music in this video lol.

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I could could sit here for hours just typing up a response to this video, but I need to do my Christmas shopping! So i'll leave it at this;

People don't like authority, its probably one of the most human instincts and as a platform there is very little sharkbrew can do about that. People are quick to shit on sharkbrew but have never once done anything to help the community that they themselves are a part of. I honestly believe that sharkbrew could be ran flawlessly and people would still find a way to discredit us and refuse to work with us. At some stage we have to realise the limitations that we have, and its why we have recently taken RWT sponsors. If sharkbrew can exist to host events and give people a good time we're probably doing something right. Naturally we have tons of other projects ongoing but I think the events will become the core of platform. 

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29 minutes ago, Eztocrypt said:

Right you have limitations so you actively support sponsors (RWT) which promotes braking an in game rule in turn damaging the game, but yet care about the game and community? That's exactly why people don't care so much for sharkbrew or any of the other community platforms,

This is not Pre eoc where they sorta left us alone whilst also introducing new skills and weapons that actually contributed pretty decently to the warring scene like f2p energy updates, new weapons, curses etc. Jagex introduces updates that actively hurts our scene and cuts off clanning from any sources of new blood.

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I think if anybody who watched your video could take something from what you have said is that sharkbrew could look into providing more of a infrastructure for the scene, and not just moderation. Although your idea is good and i can see it working, it is a tough option its kinda like going from democracy to anarchy. You said sharkbrew is the sun and the planets are the clans, take sharkbrew away and the planets might/will all go in different directions eventually.

SO sharkbrew is good for the pure community in my opinion, keeps it organized and tight-nit. It has for many years.. what i feel is necessary is that people need to open their mind and see the bigger picture. Change the troll and flame and closing clans 24/7 mentality to a mentality more based about respect and action and fun. Add new positions and roles to this site, change is not always a bad thing. And finally have people recruit not only to their clan but to the site as well, get them involved.

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