Broxxx Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Murd said: Would be pretty weird for clans to avoid this tbh, should be fun for everyone! If your clan doesn’t sign up for this tournament then what the fuck are you doing in that clan.. that’s what I’d say to anyone who’s ranks decide not to opt in to this tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Full round robin - Everyone has to fight everyone Clans earn 1 point for every round won or forfeited by their opponents Clan with highest number of points wins the tournament another incompetent dogshit tournament by sharkbrew where people can possible have 0 set losses and still lose. every tournament is just another disappointment, fix up after that last shitshow u guys had @slushpuppy stop rewarding round wins, no one cares. make it bo5 but make it SET WIN = POINT do you think you get points for dealing a set amount of damage to a player b4 he kills you? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 sign up @ apex @ fo @ doggies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuu2 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 @Hormone@Owl signup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 13 hours ago, nawe said: do you think you get points for dealing a set amount of damage to a player b4 he kills you? lol. Except that previous tournament clearly showed that the other team were much better at winning sets(3-0s) vs the other clans who won all of their sets but bled a round each time. If you need to lose a round to beat your opponent the next 2.. are you really that good? it only became an issue because a few vocal members starting spinning the narrative inspite of knowing full well the rules of that tournament This is why even IRL sports leagues include goal difference in ranking calculations because simply winning a set doesn't fully describe the magnitude of teams' performances Broxxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Krave Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 will be interesting to see what clans bail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 10 hours ago, puppyslush said: Except that previous tournament clearly showed that the other team were much better at winning sets(3-0s) vs the other clans who won all of their sets but bled a round each time. If you need to lose a round to beat your opponent the next 2.. are you really that good? it only became an issue because a few vocal members starting spinning the narrative inspite of knowing full well the rules of that tournament This is why even IRL sports leagues include goal difference in ranking calculations because simply winning a set doesn't fully describe the magnitude of teams' performances Damn slush puppy put those mini war nerds in their place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 16 hours ago, puppyslush said: Except that previous tournament clearly showed that the other team were much better at winning sets(3-0s) vs the other clans who won all of their sets but bled a round each time. If you need to lose a round to beat your opponent the next 2.. are you really that good? it only became an issue because a few vocal members starting spinning the narrative inspite of knowing full well the rules of that tournament This is why even IRL sports leagues include goal difference in ranking calculations because simply winning a set doesn't fully describe the magnitude of teams' performances yes this ALMOST makes sense EXCEPT that you are ignoring a very important factor. runescape is an RNG game. you cannot compare runescape to sports An NBA team is gnna destroy some pissrandoms in the streets 10/10 times in runescape, you can play the absolute best but still not win because of rng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEETER Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, nawe said: yes this ALMOST makes sense EXCEPT that you are ignoring a very important factor. runescape is an RNG game. you cannot compare runescape to sports An NBA team is gnna destroy some pissrandoms in the streets 10/10 times in runescape, you can play the absolute best but still not win because of rng. cry is free pussy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, nawe said: yes this ALMOST makes sense EXCEPT that you are ignoring a very important factor. runescape is an RNG game. you cannot compare runescape to sports An NBA team is gnna destroy some pissrandoms in the streets 10/10 times in runescape, you can play the absolute best but still not win because of rng. You are not entirely wrong, however clans like Apex has done great work to eliminate a number of the variables and allowing them to execute some of the finest clan wars work we seen recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, puppyslush said: You are not entirely wrong, however clans like Apex has done great work to eliminate a number of the variables and allowing them to execute some of the finest clan wars work we seen recently that doesnt excuse a horrible system lol. the 15-20 big mini tourney we had before had apex already LOST before they even finished the set to foe in the finals due to dropping 1 round to a 2 diff clans (they won all sets previously) Fatality went 9-0 and lost because of this system. I like that one your mods came to me for advice because how you guys are allowed to make 'competitive' events with such an uncompetitive system is beyond me. You can never completely eliminate RNG, you can reduce it yes. but rng is still rng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, nawe said: the 15-20 big mini tourney we had before had apex already LOST before they even finished the set to foe in the finals due to dropping 1 round to a 2 diff clans (they won all sets previously) Fatality went 9-0 and lost because of this system. I like that one your mods came to me for advice because how you guys are allowed to make 'competitive' events with such an uncompetitive system is beyond me. You can never completely eliminate RNG, you can reduce it yes. but rng is still rng. for lower opts, rng has a slight magnified effect yes, but this is a 40v40 tournament. Calling, movement, and morale has a far greater impact than RNG.. and all these doesn't discount the fact that like i said earlier.. clans who been practicing cwa with their unit over and over are way more consistent than those who haven't- that's why mini units exist because they can disproportionately affect the round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, puppyslush said: for lower opts, rng has a slight magnified effect yes, but this is a 40v40 tournament. Calling, movement, and morale has a far greater impact than RNG.. and all these doesn't discount the fact that like i said earlier.. clans who been practicing cwa with their unit over and over are way more consistent than those who haven't- that's why mini units exist because they can disproportionately affect the round Yes so why was this system ever in place for low opt events? 15v15 tourney, 5-10 tourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, nawe said: Yes so why was this system ever in place for low opt events? 15v15 tourney, 5-10 tourney experimental program ngl, either way the point still stands.. esp with recent increase with def lvls... rng has a far lesser impact. Look at competitive 5v5s+ that were highly successful with RSBL and mini war tournaments held internally by apex. Also frankly RNG is pointless to debate on without any measure to quantify it. I can only go by what clans are already doing which by far.. appears that having a solid unit does push the odd to winning to the better clan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, puppyslush said: experimental program ngl, either way the point still stands.. esp with recent increase with def lvls... rng has a far lesser impact. Look at competitive 5v5s+ that were highly successful with RSBL and mini war tournaments held internally by apex. Also frankly RNG is pointless to debate on without any measure to quantify it. I can only go by what clans are already doing which by far.. appears that having a solid unit does push the odd to winning to the better clan RSBL is a different game completely. and EVERYONE has complained about this 'experimental' system for forever now, lol. we complained when the big mini tourney was happening AND when the small opt tourney was happening but your mods are lacking the hands to change a topic. im glad you guys are improving now tho. and rng is not pointless to debate on when you have to play 5 rounds x amount of teams there are. if you ain't dropped a single round due to rng in 30-40 rounds consider yourself VERY lucky. Knockout has an insane win to loss ratio, but we don't count rounds, everyone knows you can lose a round randomly to rng, but the better team will take the SET and that's whats important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, nawe said: and rng is not pointless to debate on when you have to play 5 rounds x amount of teams there are. if you ain't dropped a single round due to rng in 30-40 rounds consider yourself VERY lucky. Knockout has an insane win to loss ratio, but we don't count rounds, everyone knows you can lose a round randomly to rng, but the better team will take the SET and that's whats important. it is pointless because you haven't quite defined the parameters in which rng can suddenly flip a round. As far as I can see, it has always been because someone cocked up which ultimately goes back to my og point about consistency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, puppyslush said: it is pointless because you haven't quite defined the parameters in which rng can suddenly flip a round. As far as I can see, it has always been because someone cocked up which ultimately goes back to my og point about consistency if i splash on someone 3 times in a row and he manages to scim my teammates which goes from 121hp to 0 in .1 from 3 ppl is that not rng? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 18 hours ago, nawe said: if i splash on someone 3 times in a row and he manages to scim my teammates which goes from 121hp to 0 in .1 from 3 ppl is that not rng? Actually in that event... 1 def should negate much of the RNG since freezes would almost always hit :s. How often does this happen lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuu2 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 @puppyslushHow can we encourage more participation? It appears only three clans have signed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxxx Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 13 hours ago, wuu2 said: @puppyslushHow can we encourage more participation? It appears only three clans have signed up. Probably by lowering the min to 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawe Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 9:21 AM, puppyslush said: Actually in that event... 1 def should negate much of the RNG since freezes would almost always hit :s. How often does this happen lol it happends alot..? freeze isn't even 50% on 1 def. its hard for me to explain this to someone that doesn't do pure clanwars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 15 hours ago, nawe said: it happends alot..? freeze isn't even 50% on 1 def. its hard for me to explain this to someone that doesn't do pure clanwars. @OverseerMoni ^^ verify the above pls On 12/31/2020 at 4:33 PM, wuu2 said: @puppyslushHow can we encourage more participation? It appears only three clans have signed up. On 1/1/2021 at 5:57 AM, Broxxx said: Probably by lowering the min to 30 Lets just give it 1 more week till most of the clan ranks have returned from holidays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodia Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 hours ago, puppyslush said: @OverseerMoni ^^ verify the above pls Lets just give it 1 more week till most of the clan ranks have returned from holidays Sounds good, but you should pm these ranks of other clans. I suspect theyll complain about not having adequate amount of preparation or some other bs excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuu2 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 The tourney is exactly one week away. @puppyslushlet's try to get more competitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppyslush Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, wuu2 said: The tourney is exactly one week away. @puppyslushlet's try to get more competitors my ranks are working on it, we may need to push it back 1 more week to get everyone on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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