1 Purerange0 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@Braden @@slushpuppy let's not play favorites got emmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowcore Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@Grayson you guys disputed 1 round, olympus disputed 2. Regardless of no cheating occurring in the second round, the first round is still nulled which counts the whole dispute as a null. If you guys want to take a win for the pkri you can, but that won't count for the CPL Are you high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koafy Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/8743-olympus-vs-doom-l-f2p-prep-l-2-1/page-11 Same situation as this thread regarding rules. This case, even though it was a 3-0, a rule has been broken that was set for the entire prep. If rules have been set, why not follow them? Olympus had given the opportunity for a re-do which you ended up declining, you're the ones who broke the rule and they gave the opportunity to fix it. This prep will be missed and neither will receive any points. Call me whatever you like but rules are rules and we have a process that we have to follow by. Hope to see another prep between each other because the next win will be a whole lot more satisfaction. The difference is, we didn't realize we had broken the rules and HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to give you a fair round. We found your mistake, gave you a heads up, asked for a redo, and your response was basically "fuck u and ur rules." you refused to give us anything except a round 3 pkri. You HAD THE CHANCE TO FIX YOUR MISTAKE AND FOLLOW THE RULES, but instead YOU CHOSE TO WILLINGLY IGNORE THEM. You made the decision to ignore the rules, these are the consequences of that decision. Regardless of the drama, gf, thanks for the prep. Hope to get more in the future, best of luck on Friday. Mellow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@Grayson you guys disputed 1 round, olympus disputed 2. Regardless of no cheating occurring in the second round, the first round is still nulled which counts the whole dispute as a null. If you guys want to take a win for the pkri you can, but that won't count for the CPL If they want to dispute round 2 that's fine, but unless you have proof for the round 2 then it is a 2-0 win for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@Grayson you guys disputed 1 round, olympus disputed 2. Regardless of no cheating occurring in the second round, the first round is still nulled which counts the whole dispute as a null. If you guys want to take a win for the pkri you can, but that won't count for the CPL If they want to dispute round 2 that's fine, but unless you have proof for the round 2 then it is a 2-0 win for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribal Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 The difference is, we didn't realize we had broken the rules and HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to give you a fair round. We found your mistake, gave you a heads up, asked for a redo, and your response was basically "fuck u and ur rules." you refused to give us anything except a round 3 pkri. You HAD THE CHANCE TO FIX YOUR MISTAKE AND FOLLOW THE RULES, but instead YOU CHOSE TO WILLINGLY IGNORE THEM. You made the decision to ignore the rules, these are the consequences of that decision. Regardless of the drama, gf, thanks for the prep. Hope to get more in the future, best of luck on Friday. no, no matter what of redo or no redo, the "cheating" only effects the round in which it occurred not the whole prep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim' Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 looked easy tbh grats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 The difference is, we didn't realize we had broken the rules and HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to give you a fair round. We found your mistake, gave you a heads up, asked for a redo, and your response was basically "fuck u and ur rules." you refused to give us anything except a round 3 pkri. You HAD THE CHANCE TO FIX YOUR MISTAKE AND FOLLOW THE RULES, but instead YOU CHOSE TO WILLINGLY IGNORE THEM. You made the decision to ignore the rules, these are the consequences of that decision. Regardless of the drama, gf, thanks for the prep. Hope to get more in the future, best of luck on Friday. Yeah, we didn't want to redo round 1 we were going to let you claim the auto win on that round. We then won 2 rounds after that making it a 2-0 win for us (if round 1 is nulled) You can say all you want but at the end of the day we won and you lost fair and square. Sharkbrew points or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewby Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Regardless of what happens, thanks for the prep again Olympus. Looking forward to more in the future as always! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZZ7 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 The difference is, we didn't realize we had broken the rules and HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to give you a fair round. We found your mistake, gave you a heads up, asked for a redo, and your response was basically "fuck u and ur rules." you refused to give us anything except a round 3 pkri. You HAD THE CHANCE TO FIX YOUR MISTAKE AND FOLLOW THE RULES, but instead YOU CHOSE TO WILLINGLY IGNORE THEM. You made the decision to ignore the rules, these are the consequences of that decision. Regardless of the drama, gf, thanks for the prep. Hope to get more in the future, best of luck on Friday. unless you were asking to redo the entire prep, redoing 1 round wouldn't have had any impact on the prep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@slushpuppyI would like you to consider you having a conversation with me. Seeing as the only 2 Sharkbrew ranks that had anything to say against this prep (Braden and Kyle) are in TLP and seeing as some Op ranks are in TLP, it doesn't look too good for your "unbiased" POV as a community website. Would appreciate your reconsideration with our argument against their dispute, just as you considered their arguments against our dispute in our previous prep. Not to mention your own mediator Pat doesn't think this prep should nulled, I would hope you would consider what I have to say. Thank you. (P.S.) Spoke to Braden/Kyle, they said the reason they can null the whole prep is because they disputed 2 rounds. Even though they only had proof for round 1, not showing anything for round 2, just because they simple disputed round 2 as well (without proof) they are given the null. If that is the precedent you want to set for this community than so be it, people can dispute rounds without proof and get preps nulled completely. LawnGnome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 unless you were asking to redo the entire prep, redoing 1 round wouldn't have had any impact on the prep At the time in question we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2, which, at the time, was the whole prep because we had only just finished r2 of the prep and hadn't gotten the challenge for r3 yet. The difference between this prep and the prep you are referring to which happened weeks ago is that you did not do anything at the time of the prep because you either missed it unintentionally or chose to overlook it. Only after we had posted a topic on Sharkbrew did you decide to dispute our win. We, on the other hand, noticed it immediately and asked for a redo of rounds 1 and 2. We pmed you on IRC yet you replied saying no. So to answer your question: Yes we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2 and yes it would have impacted the outcome of the prep because it would have been a redo of all previous fought rounds. And if @@Grayson says something like "we knew we would win anyway" or "we didn't want to waste time" then idk what to tell you because those are weak arguments that don't prove anything or contribute to the discussion in a productive way. Also, on a completely unbiased level: You definitely won the prep, I will give you that. But if you're getting pissy about something that you disputed (which was hey guess what, literally the same exact thing) then I really can't help you. BOTTOM LINE: You disputed our prep win in which the dispute was over 1 prayer level and 2 defense levels and now we're doing the same thing. Our prep win was not counted, neither should yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crims Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 bundle of twigsgotclans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowcore Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 The difference is, we didn't realize we had broken the rules and HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to give you a fair round. We found your mistake, gave you a heads up, asked for a redo, and your response was basically "fuck u and ur rules." you refused to give us anything except a round 3 pkri. You HAD THE CHANCE TO FIX YOUR MISTAKE AND FOLLOW THE RULES, but instead YOU CHOSE TO WILLINGLY IGNORE THEM. You made the decision to ignore the rules, these are the consequences of that decision. Regardless of the drama, gf, thanks for the prep. Hope to get more in the future, best of luck on Friday. And you accepted round 3 which we won fairly, along with round 2 which we also won fairly (Haven't seen any evidence of us apparently cheating in round 2 yet) which puts us at 2-0 after nulling round 1. So why should the entire prep be nulled? Even with round 1 nulled we still win. Reminder: It's not without reason. If Oly won 3-0.. I wouldn't even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribal Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 At the time in question we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2, which, at the time, was the whole prep because we had only just finished r2 of the prep and hadn't gotten the challenge for r3 yet. don't use your imagination now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZZ7 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 At the time in question we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2, which, at the time, was the whole prep because we had only just finished r2 of the prep and hadn't gotten the challenge for r3 yet. why would you ask to redo round 2? that round was clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 At the time in question we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2, which, at the time, was the whole prep because we had only just finished r2 of the prep and hadn't gotten the challenge for r3 yet. The difference between this prep and the prep you are referring to which happened weeks ago is that you did not do anything at the time of the prep because you either missed it unintentionally or chose to overlook it. Only after we had posted a topic on Sharkbrew did you decide to dispute our win. We, on the other hand, noticed it immediately and asked for a redo of rounds 1 and 2. We pmed you on IRC yet you replied saying no. So to answer your question: Yes we were asking to redo rounds 1 and 2 and yes it would have impacted the outcome of the prep because it would have been a redo of all previous fought rounds. And if @@Grayson says something like "we knew we would win anyway" or "we didn't want to waste time" then idk what to tell you because those are weak arguments that don't prove anything or contribute to the discussion in a productive way. Also, on a completely unbiased level: You definitely won the prep, I will give you that. But if you're getting pissy about something that you disputed (which was hey guess what, literally the same exact thing) then I really can't help you. BOTTOM LINE: You disputed our prep win in which the dispute was over 1 prayer level and 2 defense levels and now we're doing the same thing. Our prep win was not counted, neither should yours. You guys didn't ask to redo round 1 until after you lost round 2 as well. If you wanted to redo round 1, you should have said so before we moved onto round 2. Why would you wait until after you lost Round 2 to ask to redo round 1? Seems a bit fishy bud. ALSO, when you asked about round 2, we asked why do you want to redo round 2? You said we had more exceptions than allowed. We then asked for proof and you couldn't give it to us, so we went on with round 3. Why would we redo round 1 after we've already done round 2, and why would we redo round 2 if nothing was wrong with it and you couldn't show us what was wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 You guys didn't ask to redo round 1 until after you lost round 2 as well. If you wanted to redo round 1, you should have said so before we moved onto round 2. Why would you wait until after you lost to ask to redo round 1? Seems a bit fishy bud. Because we noticed after r2? How is that fishy lol what Someone poked me a pic of ur fall in after r2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remy Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Because we noticed after r2? How is that fishy lol what Someone poked me a pic of ur fall in after r2 Why did you want to redo r2 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Why did you want to redo r2 LOL Because from what we could tell nothing had changed between round 1 and 2? I don't get your point dude. Anyway, I'm done posting here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remy Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Because from what we could tell nothing had changed between round 1 and 2? I don't get your point dude. We only had 2 exceptions in for round 2 if you can show me otherwise I'll give you $500 Paypal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Because we noticed after r2? How is that fishy lol what Someone poked me a pic of ur fall in after r2 Ok? And how does that effect anything? Round 1 was over and you already accepted round 2 and went on with the prep. If you wanted to redo round 1, you should've asked after round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowcore Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 So where's the pic of us having more than 2 exceptions in round 2? You were happy to post it for round 1 so let's see round 2. Not sure why you'd ask to redo round 2 when it was a clean fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawnGnome Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 @@slushpuppy come correct this, apparently your staff team will not. Here's my summary. We unintentionally brought three level 87's in the first round (the rules were 86 cap with 2 exceptions). We noticed it before the 2nd round, sat BitterDitter, and carried on. We won R2 cleanly and afterward they challenged claiming that we had to redo the round(s). Nothing got resolved and we continued into the R3 pkri and won cleanly again. Take R1 away from us, fine, we fucked it up. But we realized our mistake, we won the next two rounds cleanly (and I don't know how that can be disputed, especially due to your previous ruling on the last prep?). Please fix this. NLronald 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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