Ivp

I've attended several events a month with several different clans (Including your own) in order to see how things are progressing, including weekend trips, preps, and even a few minis. Outside of that, I'm in regular contact with a couple of leaders from several of the clans (Including your own) first and foremost because I consider alot of them friends but of course conversation inevitably turns to the state of scenes, and thats both LPC AND HPC clans. I have a firm grasp on whats going on and honestly the only thing thats holding back any of the stuff I talked about in the post I made a few scrolls up the page is inaction by the leaders, as Sith explained he didn't want to be involved in a reunified scene and thats fine. You were wrong when you said these things can't happen though, inevitably these things will happen in some form or another. As time progresses, these HPC clans aren't going to sit by and watch there scene disintegrate around them as the LPC scene plods along in a better state than theirs, and they'll take action sooner or later. I just hope that when all is said and done, it benefits the community overall rather than dismantles it further which is why I want LPC clans to take the initiative and grow into stronger clans.

I was going to go into that in the above post, but thought it was getting a bit long so held off haha. The suggestions there aren't as a means of helping the HPC clans, but rather re-unifying the community in order to help yourselves and your own clans. The LPC scene has no validity in the eyes of the majority of the community right now, including the participants of the LPC clans; hence why most of them are in "real" clans and decide only to multi clan in LPCs which they see as a side project, rightly or wrongly. With the reunification of the scenes into one coherent bracket of clans ranging all the way from Fi, CP, EOP, FOE, down to DR, S, Zu, Z, LT, BV, your clan and the other clans like Z, Zu, S etc can work on becoming better and fighting EOP, FOE, etc. You guys moan about clans not prepping, you can be sure these guys will prep you (at least until they start losing rolleyes emote). Not only this, but your clan can legitimately become better, faster. And then on top of this, it also gives the clans lower than your clans the room to open and grow so that they may some day fight you as well. Cultivating the community is cultivating your own clan. Whilst I do share your sentiments that the HPC scene needs to finally expire so things can start anew, realistically thats never going to happen which means the current state of the 'LPC' scene will always be seen as second tier, substandard, minor league business, which is unfortunate. The alternative to all I suggested in that post is, like you said, LPC clans putting their heads down and simply living for the moment so to speak, enjoying the time, which of course is equally as valid; who am I to say what clans should or shouldn't do? The only problem is the scene has probably reached a ceiling now and will only become worse as time progresses, and eventually it will go extinct when its a great opportunity for rebuild the pure community in some regards. I'll assume this was directed at me; yes I'm involved in the scene, haha. One day there were no LPC clans, and the next day, there was. I had built the LPC scenes foundations by speaking to my friends such as Soniqs and Hippy and 4 other leaders and persuading them to help the community and all to open clans, to open all their clans on the same day, to agree to requirements and defensive requirements, and organised the trip times you guys now use, under the common cause of manufacturing an LPC scene. Consequently I've followed it in painstaking detail, so yes, I am involved in the LPC scene. When I played this game, I led two of the most successful low level clans in the history of the pure community. Yes I'm involved in the LPC scene.

Teaming sucks for the most part and reflects badly on the clans that team up with each other. I suppose its not always the case, however. Some of the most fun fights i've been involved in were years back when Epidemic and EOP teamed up for a few weeks running in order to fight the team of MM and FOE, with all 4 clans pulling in excess of 80 people. It was crazy but alot of fun. These days though, theres probably far less teaming going on than you'd imagine. Most of the morons on this forum/in clans lose a fight for whatever reason and get the ball rolling on the whole "U TEAMED ON US!!" in order to somehow negate the fact they all died in the wilderness cos their clan sucks, and then it becomes one of them things that the more broccolied members of the community use in order to make themselves feel better whilst they sit in their wheelchair with steamed up spectacles as they think about how cool they are. Needless to say there are clans that team regularly, and yeah they absolutely suck haha. Clans will do ANYTHING to win. If Clan A sees Clan B has pulled 8 people cos the clan is fucking terrible, they'll say "Come PK with us today" in order to boost their numbers so they might have a chance of not losing. Bad clans will do that, good clans will win on their own merits rather than that and thats effectively all it comes down to. Of course, if clans crash each other and do all that stuff then its probably a good idea to momentarily team up to solve the problems, but this culture of constant teaming every week on trips is pretty demeaning for both clans involved in the relationship.

In my opinion the real problem runs deeper than a lack of events, which in itself is down to the lack of clans. When the LPC renaissance thing was put into practice, the initial idea was for these clans to grow outside the influence of the higher leveled clans with the intention of eventually joining them when they were able, to have three distinct tiers of clan strength in one scene - The best (Fi/CP), the middle tier (EOP, FOE, Hz, Z, CTRL, RD) and then the lower tier LPC clans which would have been (Supremacy, Zu, Trauma, BV, LT, etc), all PK'ing at the same time and all contending with each other. Whereas before the LPC initiative, there were "HPC" clans and "MPC" clans, there wasn't an LPC scene, which we managed to change when we organised the LPC revival. In a case of horrible timing, all the MPC clans decided to close between that time and now, which is part of the reason the community is so split right now between one scene and the other scene. History has shown that the ideal environment for a pure community to prosper is when there is the opportunity for these three categories to co-exist, anything less and its the equivalent of a someone missing an organ; huge potential is lost. If the categories co-exist, LPC clans can fight each other whilst making the occasional foray into fighting MPC clans (IE, Supremacy may decide to prep CTRL) in order for their clan to expand and continue growing. Eventually the gap closes, and Supremacy for instance becomes a bonafide MPC clan, fighting the MPC clans weekly and in turn allowing clans below them room to grow, like a pyramid system of progression. Having no real MPC scene puts the brakes on with that, however. Clans close and rotate, its the nature of the game. The problem is the LPC clans are hiding behind the LPC buzz-word because quite frankly most of leaderships and staff teams are substandard, and are happy to coast along rather than improve their clans, which to me makes no sense to me as its dooming themselves in the long run. This not only damages the scene of FOE/FI/EOP/CP, but also the 'real' LPC scene. Why would a new clan open now when they have to fight clans that have the majority of their clan over level 80 or whatever and they're a level 60 team? The LPC scene was straightforward to manufacture, but the MPC team simply can't be organised like that. There needs to be some sort of forceful decision to merge the majority of LPC clans into the HPC scene by the leaders of the LPC clans, or the HPC scene to force the LPC clans to grow by moving there own trip times, stopping multi clanning, and the like. Yes there will be casualty's in terms of bad clans closing, but for the sake of longevity and preservation of the community, in an ideal world thats what eventually needs to happen. If Zenith, Conviction, Zu, Destruction, LT, and BV moved their trip times to the HPC times, they could STILL fight each other whilst putting in the groundwork to start competing with a clan such as EOP that pulls around 30 or something I'm led to believe. That way, it would give room for clans such as Anthrax, UF, and whatever other new clans the room to grow faster, whilst also giving those clans that made the crossover a greater sense of accomplishment and more fun. Win win for all clans. To conclude this longer than anticipated post, like I mentioned its just down to sub-standard staff teams making weird decisions and being happy with the "perpetual mediocrity" that the clans are currently embroiled in. I have a question for any of these leaders; what is your game-plan in the long term? Do you intend to be "LPC clans" forever, having preps with stuff like "100 CAP 3 EXCEPTIONS!!" (... rofl), or what? Serious question. - Ivp

It's a tough one. The lower bracket clans who PK at different times seem to have a good thing going on outside of the influence and dominance of top clans such as foe/fi/eop/cp. This has been demonstrated in individual clan growth as well as the growth of the scene as a whole which is bigger, more active, and more competitive than the HPC scene. Needless to say, the segregation of these two scenes seems to be coming to a natural conclusion, the lower bracket clans are no longer LPC's and from what I've seen they have levels and pulls that are getting closer and closer to the HPC clans and are already beginning to mini them/prep them. That being said,there doesn't seem to be a logical way to merge the two brackets to form a single bracket rather than two seperate trip times, which presents a problem for all the clans. If there was any sort of respect and corroboration between the lower bracket "LPC" clans, now would be the perfect time to decide "okay lets move our trip times to the HPC trip times so we can still fight each other, as well as those clans better than us in order to get better". If one clan decides to move their trip times in order to grow beyond the ceiling instilled by the seperate trip times, they're painting themselves as a target to the HPC clans and won't do well. If ALL clans move simultaneously, then not only can they aim at growing enough to fight clans such as EOP/FOE on weekends but also maintain there rivalries with the other "LPC" clans, benefiting the entire community as well as themselves. Of course, the "LPC" clans are far too happy to claim best of the worst clans ie "#1 LPC" and the like, and refuse to see the bigger picture. In my opinion, the only way this can be solved is ironically down to the HPC's. I don't know why they've allowed multi clanning this long as their entire scene crumbles around them and they watch the LPC clans grow, but they should probably think about stopping multi clanning for good. If they refused to allow multi clanning a few months back, then perhaps the LPC and HPC scenes would have been forced to merge earlier and clans such as Hazard, Redemption, CTRL etc would have had people to fight and would have not closed. Who knows. It's bad leadership that is the problem, too afraid to hurt a few feelings or try something new. And now their scene has paid the price as 4 clans remain. Anyway, seeing as the LPC clans are happy to roll along in perpetual mediocrity, its down to the HPC's to force a merging of the two scenes by stopping multi clanning or changing their trip times so they're out with the LPC's or some other means. If this happened, the 'top list' would look something like (From my limited perspective of event aftermath topics etc) 1. Fi 2. CP 3. FOE 4. EOP 5. CV 6. ZU 7. Z 8. SUP 9. LT 10. BV 11. NEM 12. A This would be an excellent starting point in rebuilding a single community, and hopefully get up to a stage where there are 15-20 good, active pure clans all PK'ing at the same time. With time, clans could grow and fall on their own merits rather than the influence of multi clanning mercenaries. Its the next step in rebuilding the pure community. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see what happens next. I'm looking forward to it, and have a few predictions what will ACTUALLY happen haha. Lets see if they come true.

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In my opinion, topics like this is part of the reason it is so difficult to have clans fight each other. So your clan beat them, and they were 1 item'ing and being broccolied. Whats the need; or better yet, the benefit of posting a topic like this? If a clan knows your just going to post topics like this if they lose, why would they fight you in the future? The answer is they're gonna be far less likely to. It makes no sense. Losing is part and parcel of pvp, they shouldn't be flamed for losing regardless of how bad they might or might not be. By all means, make a topic like this on private forums for a laugh, morale, or whatever, but when you post something like this not even in event aftermath but clan discussion (as if theres some discussion value in this sort of thing) it simply makes them not want to fight you in future and destroys there clan image, hurting their clan and moving them ever closer to being one of the many clans that closes. Not to mention, it doesn't reflect well on your clan that your so elated you beat this apparent bad clan. Just my observation.

Its nice to see so many LPC's open, a big selection for people to choose from which is good however you look at it.

For me my favorite parts were not really individual moments for the most part, just the general feeling I had when were on the rise, seeing my clan improving on a week to week basis and with a collective pursuit of a common goal. In Epidemic my favorite moments were just prior to fighting for #3, when there was the group E, EOP, Dv, IR, TLP, amongst others all fighting each other weekly to try and edge away from our competition in an attempt to take Fatality's spot, slightly above us. Them fights were ridiculously fun, action packed, and for the most part respectful and it was those clans that provided E with the momentum to move upwards. The only thing that came close to that in terms of fun was finally beating MM one saturday 120 vs 120 after a meteoric rise , to which they eventually bounced back from obviously a month or two later. In NME my favourite moment was taking the plunge and changing our requirements from -10 defense, to 30 defense. We started as a 45-65 combat capped LPC. Such was the core of the clan that by the end of the week we had 90% of people in our clan wearing addy, far more than any other clan at that point. Watching the clan move from 45-65 LPC to Adamant powered Green Machine was a sight to behold. After fighting for in excess of 6 months in robes and 1 defense armour, we were far more organised than our competition (We HAD to be with 1 defense armour), so with 30 defense it was literally a breeze. Was something new for me and alot of fun. Nice topic