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  2. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    4 hours ago, Dizzy said:

    Clans should also just stop avoiding fights against other clans in clan wars.

    People seem to care so much about their internet ego they would rather use all of their energy to create manipulated POV's/topics by the usage of mains and editting bad parts out than to actually fight clean from both sides and have fun.

    Literally nobody cares about rivalry topics apart from your own clan. It's the same exaggeration and manipulation every other topic filled up with a bunch of LOOOOOL spam's.

    If people are able to drop their ego's in CWA it will eventually flow over to the wilderness because once people realise the rest of the community doesn't care wether you and your clan take a L or a W, people won't feel the need to manipulate POV's with mains 

     

    5 hours ago, Kim said:

    Its been a constant cycle over the years where clans used that excuse. The only disappointing part, whenever clans weren't doing so well, they were able to fight clans of their quality. It seems now that option may not be available or the fear of losing is far too great due to implications of what it can do to a core. 

    Although, another tier of clanning within our bracket may be avoiding for the reason you have stated. I could probably say 3-4 clans are struggling due to the reasoning I have used. This cycle won't get any better especially with leaderships not having the best communication with each other.  People who usually falsify their topics are people who have the same fears of what it can do to their core in the long run.

  3. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    36 minutes ago, AARON said:

    really enjoying the amount of people in this thread with their head in the sand on the current state of things; gotta win the forum topic always

    Feel free to provide your own insight seeing your history, it would most likely be a good take as a lot of this current pure community are newcomers in comparison to you. 

  4. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    2 hours ago, Victory said:

    i think Kim is close to the reality here:

    the meta of cwa is too high with a small 'lower bracket' - which isn't competetive or active enough

    to be able to prep u need 200m+ of gear AND maxed 25def 100+cb

    maybe the issues are interconnected... who knows

    Yeah, you can use the example from when we had HPC/MPC. Supremacy and other clans were able to do private preps against the MPCs for practice. Or even before we still had some the original lpc clans opened, they were do a lot of repeated preps back to back. I think we had about 6-8 preps with ZU in a month and both clans didn't care for the win or loss. But, this was able to happen because we were on the same level. 

  5. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

    I think this fear is overblown. There will be some 88 combat tanks but it's much easier for 1 def pures to kill 88 combat tanks than it is for 107 pures to kill 126's. Most people already have max combat mains so they can always use them on weekends. Sure your tryhard nerds will create new tanks and bond them but your average member isn't going to maintain bonds on their pure, main, and 88 combat tank.

    I think this point of view should be expressed more often so the scene can shift away from the current problem. Thanks for your input

  6. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    7 minutes ago, Stl Arrow said:

    Mains will always be a problem in the pure community. Another problem is 25def pures allows higher combat accounts to attack them. If no changes are made the pure scene will just become pure clans showing up with meds/pures every weekend.

    A problem that has been brought up by people who may not want move down. The idea of main clans or even fellow pure clans create 88cb tanks if they moved down. 

  8. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    54 minutes ago, Leonidas said:

    I don't foresee the pure scene dying any time soon, it seems like Jagex is taking clans more seriously with the coming clan updates. I'm expecting more activity in the pure scene once the updates happen.

    That being said, the pure scene will die/reset eventually if we don't get the mains under control. 

    Its a good point to make that clanning system will come out at some point this year or the next. But, I am not sure if it'll be easy to recruit once entirely new people see how main invested the scene is. There hasn't been a new clan to open in months within the "LPC" scene. The more activity may be in another bracket of clanning. 

  10. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    1 hour ago, Asap said:

    Whenever a clan is doing bad and their quality drops, their leaders start telling members that cwa does not matter, and that's how u end up not prepping anyone for a year straight. Then there are clans like Rage, fi, terror and bp who constantly pull 25-35 to cwa events and have good competition. It's all up to the leaders to grow some balls and start doing preps

    Its been a constant cycle over the years where clans used that excuse. The only disappointing part, whenever clans weren't doing so well, they were able to fight clans of their quality. It seems now that option may not be available or the fear of losing is far too great due to implications of what it can do to a core. 

  12. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    9 hours ago, Murd said:

    The most amusing part of this issue is that every clan has the same goal in mind, but rivalries and ego stop any progress. One clan stops the mains, their rival continues and stomps them etc. Mains are killing the community and making a lot of clans into a walmart version of eop

     

    When rage were getting camped by rot, their rivals who 'didnt support mains' would laugh and also team on them with the main clans, leading to the evident relations with other main clans which led to this main clan proxy war with pure clans. I know rage only have mains etc now for retaliation to the main clans and those who help the main clans, since they openly drop the mains for nuetral fights.

     

    You even have fo having a shared fc with rot and co on their own anni most recently. After that fiasco, they've seemingly dropped the mains cold turkey not because it's for the best, but because they were annihilated for their poor choice. Then you've got apex/zenith who have involved themselves with the main clans for almost a year. I'm not too sure on the other clans that have actual organized alliances, but I know most clans also have their own arsenal of mains because if these issues.

     

     

    Clans need to stop their cringe alliances with the main world because all it ends up doing is brings the scenes together and turns the pure scene into the med scene. God forbid fo at the moment are setting the ideal example of dropping it cold (albeit as a response to their anniversary disaster). Clans need to follow that and keep it pure.

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  13. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    7 hours ago, humanbear said:

    Fo getting camped by rot and then helping them later is already really weird.

    I think the reason it has gotten this far is because no clan before us has been able to deal with it for so long. It does affect everyone in some degree, however the real clans that are affected are the ones being camped, and the ones choosing to side with the main clan thats coming into our scene in the first place. At this point in time, there is so much bad blood that it'll probably take some clans closing before an actual alliance is possible.

    Example: I'm okay with giving fo clean action, if they apologize and stop avoiding. However some of our members (rightfully so) wont off them simply for what they've done.
    I'm okay with giving them clean action because thats why I want as well, clean action. Instead they're disrespectful, flaming, teaming with rot (which they now learned isn't smart), and most importantly: Avoiding clean CWA action.

     

    In other words:
    Apex & Zenith need to cut their ties with rot (who caused all of this)
    Apex, Zenith, Supremacy and Fo need to stop avoiding clean CWA action.
    The CWA scene is dying because 99/100 preps are Rage Vs FI, Rage Vs Terror or FI vs Terror.

    Sorry, I am just getting back home now.

    I appreciate the realism that you have shared within your forum post. I hope for the sake of the community, if it takes closing clans to get shed this awful coat, may it be sooner than later. 

    Problem is with clans apologizing, nobody does this publicly whatsoever. The times its happened, its always been in small channels when everyone has been doxxed within the situation or something worse. I have had those issues within my own clan where members won't forgive for the same reasons. Its always been tricky on the aspect of negotiating with FOE as people such as @Murd@Godfatherprobably remember from back then. 

    I don't think we had any apex or zenith members contribute to this topic at all?? In terms of the three clans avoiding action, it could be two things. They may not want to lose you guys in clan wars or the "reasoning" of bringing mains. The CWA scene has been slowly crumbling since 2019. Its been so sad to see as an outsider and as a rank. Its an ego issue. The formula you mentioned has been a repeat cycle. 

  14. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    1 hour ago, F3ar said:

    Sounds to me with all the posts the only problem to be made about mains @Kimand the problem is rob why tf would any clan apex follow and fo join in with them tf you sound so so suprised by mains when your known clan would bring mains as well to fight people back in the day now your clans crying about mains cry is free off is nfs

    From what I have been told, after I retired in Autumn of 2020, it got worse in where EVERY CLAN started to bring mains. It "seems" better now that a few have dropped theirs. I am not surprised at all but its a point to highlight that the scene can die out. As it has twice before. Its up to members of clans to continue discussing this on a public forums. I am not active within the pure community to be able to say "I am crying." It does not affect me whatsoever. I only feel so bad for the pure community on how far gone its got and if I could help bring some sort of unity for Jagex to consider our pure scene as a good option to include for Jcup..I don't mind having to bring up the discussion once again as I did in the past. 

  15. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    26 minutes ago, Gang Member said:

    It's so funny how you act like you're so innocent and pure, when you're just as toxic as anyone else here. Anyone says anything against you, you hide the post. Supremacy during your time was the first clan to bring mains. Wanna talk toxicity? This video has you personally speaking and being apart of racism, homophobia, You personally saying "Off him he's ragging rage". Save your BS posts about saving the community when your clan started it.

     

    Supremacy was not the first clan to bring mains. Not at all. The legacy clans were first to bring mains. Supremacy just couldn't stomach dropping their mains(2-3 mains back in HPC) since they were oldschool members at the time. Majority of the time aside from my last cycle of being a rank, I have stepped away from the clan and went off to do my own thing. I don't enjoy fighting as a main or being apart of main fights(when its suppose be pure vs pure.) I have hid posts on this topic on particular as they weren't productive to the topic at all. Their were logs of my interaction with Rage leadership. Its so weird hearing Hebi on the audio clip. That isn't my voice, that is Ashley's voice.  I wasn't active at all during the rage rivalry aside for three weeks because my friends wanted to take part in pure trips again and wanted me to attend along. Other than that, there has been audio clips during trips where I have told leadership not to be homophobic or to stop using racist jokes. 

    Going back on task, I am not innocent. I have never said I was. The point of this discussion topic was to stimulate some sort of discussion. The pure community needs it. This is the worse its ever been. 

  16. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    19 minutes ago, YouActuallyThought said:

    Apex/foe/zenith all chose to align themselves with main clans resulting in there current pisslow forms 

    this topic was created to place blame on anything other than the root cause of the issue, being pure clan leaders involving themselves in main clan crash wars.

     

    you wanna nutride a main clan feel free to do so, but do not cry and make victim topics when the inevitable happens.

    I have no connections to the pure community to be able to place blame on anyone. When I used to make these topics back in the day, it was for every member to have a discussion with their peers + leaderships. This applies now as readings and skimming images, the scene seems so cancer.  As said on the topic, I have been inactive within the scene and know nothing of what you speak. If you were able to elaborate, that would be great. 

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    4 minutes ago, humanbear said:

    Solve it? Not sure. But it could've prevented all of this if we (rage) didn't have to deal with it on our own.
     

    Rage got camped by EZ for refusing to kick a member (who in turn called Rot/SV), zenith and apex were helping them from the start.
    Revenant started camping zenith and apex for aiding rot.
    Rot threatened pure clans to stop giving rage action, and many clans actually did what rot wanted. 
    Over time, Fo has helped/sided with rot multiple times. (Shared CC on fo's anni for example)

    So here we are, 7 months later and those 3 main clans still "camp" rage, fo has dropped their mains after having their anni ruined by us and is now crying about them. Apex is crying about them after helping rot for so long, zenith is crying about them because rev made them go from 130 to 30 pulls in the same time. (Oh btw Zenith has merged weekend trips now with pro-rot clan Infliction (IF))

     

    If from the start, all pure clans came together and told rot to piss off, it wouldn't have gotten this far. Rev wouldnt be involved and Rage wouldn't have needed to adapt. However even before the mains clans, rivalries have had mains. (Fo vs Rage early 2020, Zenith vs LY 2020 etc...) 

     

    Let me be clear: Yes we're the ones still bringing mains, but we're also the ones that STILL have to deal with 3 main clans + those allied pure clans. 
    Theres a reason why Fatality, OG, Terror, Legacy, BP, Hydra and Venom get clean action and are able to stay out of main situations. (until recently at least, EZ/Rot are now targeting OG and Terror as well)

    You are also forgetting that from the start of all of this all. Foe did get camped by ROT for months until they slumped ultimately.(although they lied about not having their rank in  a rival clan.) The timeline is seems to be one that aligns to what happened to foe. In where nobody helped the respective clan against the main clan. I don't think anyone thought that the scene would get to this degree to begin with. Do you think by you guys being camped by these main clans, it affects the other pure clans' action? Back then, it would affect pure clans as it would be less action since nobody wanted to fight mains that pure clans brought. 

    I don't know much about the current rivalries or how the rivalries got sour. Your clarification of still bringing mains is something I could understand as my own pure clan had to do that against 3 pure clans allied against us and one brought a ton of mains on us. Do you think a pure alliance wouldn't be possible at this stage? Your comment talks more of back then than the present in terms of this question. 

  20. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    5 minutes ago, nawe said:

    most clans already pull too low on weekend/cwa events for them to go back to 1 def, the general motivation in the pure scene is at an all time low and that's heavily due to mains and constant avoiding in CWA.

    mains clans need to fk off but they won't, people won't stop avoiding.

    Clans will find ANY excuse to not fight eachother and their members believe it like the hounds they are because they've commited too much time into the clan already, reality denial.

    If some sort of anti-main alliance would form that'd be great but sadly it would require almost every single pure clan to render the mains useless and cleanse the scene, when more than half the clans openly have mains on their trips and mains backup ready they're certainly not ready to commit that.

    unfortunately the scene's so dogshit right now and i can't see it changing because clans have already commited and in their minds if they pull out now they've 'lost' and this pissrandom nh mentality of never not going back because it would be seen as a 'loss' is so funny to me, you're playing fucking runescape.

     

    Most clans back in the day, they pulled really low on weekends and even cwa events. I think the most they did pull in terms of cwa was 35v3s and it was rare. In terms of wilderness, I think the highest pulling clans was 43 excluding mains. It sounds like the scene will have to die a lot more for leaderships to compromise with each other. That is unfortunate. 

  22. Mains Within the Pure Community

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    13 minutes ago, humanbear said:

    Mains arent the underlying problem, pure clans and their ego's are.
    Avoiding preps, helping main clans that are camping pure clans, doxing, nh actions.

    Zenith already tried going back to 1 def but Rev just made 100 accounts that are lvl 80-90 tanks.

    The clans crying about mains are the ones that caused this shit show and are now paying for it, and some have been given ways out but refuse to take it.

    The portion of avoiding preps has always been a problem within the community. In terms of main clans involving themselves within the pure community. Do you think a pure alliance would solve this issue? 

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