Compare each clan to a country

[Batman]

RD #1.

[J-Swag]

Haha, pretty interesting topic. Funnily enough, I'm a history (and politics) undergrad, so yeah, one of my biggest gripes is throwing around 'myths' that people are taught at school as facts.

 

Based on reading numerous articles/books and studying the 'historiography' I can tell you that it's widely accepted that Germany didn't have the resources to sustain the intensity and the levels of attack against Britain. Also, the social situation on the German home front was far worse than that of Britain - despite the Blitz and Germany was actually bordering of the levels of social uprising by 1943. Germany started the war very strong, but was fading out and would have eventually lost to Britain in the end (Lets face it, France did fuck all). The American intervention merely sped up the process. 

 

As a history student you should be more aware of America's real contribution to the war, which was in supplying resources to Britain and the Soviets through the lend-lease.

Without the US would the Soviets have had the resources to push back the Nazi's? Probably not.

Without the Americans posing a threat to Japan, would the Japanese have decided not to attack the Soviets from behind, drastically reducing the resources they could contribute to fighting the Nazi's? Probably not. 

Without the Americans providing resources to the English combined with the Nazi's being able to devote more resources to the Western Front because of a more successful Eastern Front (as explained above) could the English have been as successful in holding off an invasion? Probably not.

Could Britain have triumped in Africa without the US? Possibly, but it would have taken significantly longer.

Could Britain have stormed Normandy without the US and more crucially their supplies? Almost definitely not, certainly not for a few more years anyway.

 

tsk tsk.

[holydreams]

As a history student you should be more aware of America's real contribution to the war, which was in supplying resources to Britain and the Soviets through the lend-lease.

Without the US would the Soviets have had the resources to push back the Nazi's? Probably not.

Without the Americans posing a threat to Japan, would the Japanese have decided not to attack the Soviets from behind, drastically reducing the resources they could contribute to fighting the Nazi's? Probably not.

Without the Americans providing resources to the English combined with the Nazi's being able to devote more resources to the Western Front because of a more successful Eastern Front (as explained above) could the English have been as successful in holding off an invasion? Probably not.

Could Britain have triumped in Africa without the US? Possibly, but it would have taken significantly longer.

Could Britain have stormed Normandy without the US and more crucially their supplies? Almost definitely not, certainly not for a few more years anyway.

 

tsk tsk.

Not sure what point you're arguing now... In any case since the U.S. as a hegemon has the highest level of influence in the global sphere giving it to MM is fair but since Eop was not the 2nd best clan overall but 3rd/4th WW2 is an unreasonable example to solely base this question off. Should look at a bigger timeline, like the fall of the Nazi empire can be equivalent to Eop slump and then the beginning of the Cold War right after between the USSR and U.S. in my eyes would be Foe vs MM rivalry again because of the political and economic power that both held but with a lot of differences.

 

So Foe- Russia

MM - US

Eop - Germany

Fi - China (another superpower that has recently reached a very large level of influence in its economic status.)

 

Idc about any1 else

[Ben]

As a history student you should be more aware of America's real contribution to the war, which was in supplying resources to Britain and the Soviets through the lend-lease.

Without the US would the Soviets have had the resources to push back the Nazi's? Probably not.

Without the Americans posing a threat to Japan, would the Japanese have decided not to attack the Soviets from behind, drastically reducing the resources they could contribute to fighting the Nazi's? Probably not. 

Without the Americans providing resources to the English combined with the Nazi's being able to devote more resources to the Western Front because of a more successful Eastern Front (as explained above) could the English have been as successful in holding off an invasion? Probably not.

Could Britain have triumped in Africa without the US? Possibly, but it would have taken significantly longer.

Could Britain have stormed Normandy without the US and more crucially their supplies? Almost definitely not, certainly not for a few more years anyway.

 

tsk tsk.

 

Cba to get into a huge debate, and I do acknowledge America's utility in lending resources, but people like to over exaggerated it for one reason or another. I'm not saying that it didn't help, but people overlook numerous arguments. If you're actually interested check out Dimbleby/Renolds and Watt's book about America's and Britain's relationship before, during the war and after the war, both have a chapter dedicated to this stuff iirc. 

 

Point about Soviet Union is kinda invalid, Operation Barbarossa (1941) which was Germany's push into Russia failed not because of the strength of Russia (or the resources they have because of America) but due to tactical failures by Germany. They didn't take into consideration the cold/amounts of men that Russia had. 

 

Britain also had a massive presence in the pacific ocean, and had done for decades before as part of it's defence against India. The fact that Britain had the largest navy in the world at this point (alongside America) means that it probably could have kept a strong enough fleet as a deterrent itself to prevent the Japanese from acting maliciously towards Russia. The Germany's navy was brown sticky stuffty and didn't pose a threat to Britain at all, so it didn't need to worry about keeping too many ships around the home isles.

 

As for Normandy, Britain only really opted for that method because they knew that they had the American's onside at that point. They definitely had the intel on Germany and most likely would have been able to find another method of pushing Germany back eventually.

 

I could go ultra nerd and write an entire essay on this topic, but I've got a dissertation on medieval history to write

 

 

By yeah...... my original point still stands, you over-exaggerated the strength of Germany and underestimated the role that Britain played in global affairs and the outcome of WW2 . 

 

Anyway, you can still be Germany, who the fk wants to b nazis...???

[slushpuppy]

Britain also had a massive presence in the pacific ocean, and had done for decades before as part of it's defence against India. The fact that Britain had the largest navy in the world at this point (alongside America) means that it probably could have kept a strong enough fleet as a deterrent itself to prevent the Japanese from acting maliciously towards Russia. The Germany's navy was brown sticky stuffty and didn't pose a threat to Britain at all, so it didn't need to worry about keeping too many ships around the home isles.

 

Actually the home fleet was tied up at the channel blockading the german navy as well as escorting the merchant ships in conveys. The brits had to rely on US's pacific fleet to deter any jap intervention with her colonies in SE asia.

 

The kriegsmarine , while it didn't have numbers, relied on technological force multipliers such as the homing torpedoes and advanced U-boat classes that allow a sub to remain submerged for weeks at a time. Her surface fleet wasn't as capable as the british, however the bismarck class battleships certainly wasn't a push over. The navy itself wasn't brown sticky stuff, they had capable admirals, and brilliant designers, however they were led by an tomato(Hitler)

[0ldschooler]

Also I know you don't actually play rs but foe has been ahead in wildy in both servers for last few weeks (look at eop posts on top clan list)

Not true lmfao, they only dominated last weekend.

[Victory]

Not true lmfao, they only dominated last weekend.

Foe dominated because Cronic led the trip and he can't lead to save his life. heard you dropped from 65 to 55 real quick

[nick_hamilton]

@hollyfield

 

Fo now a days is like China big n everything fake

[Ben]

Actually the home fleet was tied up at the channel blockading the german navy as well as escorting the merchant ships in conveys. The brits had to rely on US's pacific fleet to deter any jap intervention with her colonies in SE asia.

 

The kriegsmarine , while it didn't have numbers, relied on technological force multipliers such as the homing torpedoes and advanced U-boat classes that allow a sub to remain submerged for weeks at a time. Her surface fleet wasn't as capable as the british, however the bismarck class battleships certainly wasn't a push over. The navy itself wasn't brown sticky stuff, they had capable admirals, and brilliant designers, however they were led by an tomato(Hitler)

 

brown sticky stuffty by comparison to the Royal Navy.

 

On Topic; The RS equivalent (in my opinion) of the situation being something like SUP, not being able to fight EOP in a 1 vs 1 in the wilderness but opting to cut off returners and such. Yeah, it's clever and smart but that doesn't necessarily make them good/the best. (I LOVE YOU SUP).

[slushpuppy]

brown sticky stuffty by comparison to the Royal Navy.

 

smaller is more accurate statement. Remember, when it came matching the best of the capital ships in the royal navy vs the kreigmarine, hood + prince of wales + 1 more ship i can't remember vs bismark, the bismark sank 1 and disabled the other 2 in 1 engagement.

 

Imagine if bismark was surrounded by a flotilla of mix of cruisers/destroyers and escort submarines, I would have no doubt believed that she would have dominated the atlantic.

 

Again too bad hitler was too obsessed with bigger is better, and squandered good amount of war materials into building massive outdated battleships without considering the need for the ancillaries to support these big capital ships

[Destroy]

Can already tell your whole post is biased, didn't even bother reading the rest.

 

But ye Germany lost and its leader committed suicide.

banter lmao

[mother]

Eop is Pakistani retards while fatality is something like Greenland lol or ice land

[RSPhreak]

USA USA USA