Deep Thought

You're pretty new in my eyes Mr. the pure scene is dying and I'm too cool for it but still slave vid for my new clan and log 1000s of posts on the community site.

I have them ranked above PX in the wilderness and below in clan wars/overall.

You must have missed the "overall" section. I take it reading isn't your forte.

F2P Wilderness 1. EOP 2. FOE 3. IR 4. PX 5. UB 6. Apex 7. AAO 8. CD 9. SUP 10. FI 11. SF F2P Clan Wars (Matched) 1. FOE 2. UB 3. PX 4. EOP 5. SUP 6. Apex 7. IR 8. FI 9. AAO 10. CD 11. SF P2P Wilderness 1. FOE 2. EOP 3. IR 4. MF 5. UB 6. PX 7. Apex 8. AAO 9. SF 10. SUP 11. FI P2P Clan Wars (Matched) 1. FOE 2. UB 3. EOP 4. Apex 5. PX 6. MF 7. IR 8. SUP 9. FI 10. AAO 11. SF Overall 1. FOE 2. EOP 3. UB 4. PX 5. IR 6. Apex 7. SUP 8. MF 9. AAO 10. FI 11. CD 12. SF

Even in my near infinite wisdom, I am unable to create rankings for days I spent drinking cheap beer. I will post a revised comprehensive list soon as my old one is 2 weeks old.

I refer you to my first post on page two.

What do you want my giant brain to take on as my second task as gatekeeper? (first was fixing moni's post)

This is pretty justin beiber...even for this website. There is a very complex methodology that my giant unbiased computer brain uses to turn runescape results into rankings.

I noticed you must have forgotten my name, but don't worry I edited in a nice little bio as my first Gatekeeper Job.

I am here with my large and unbiased brain ready to take leader of Sharkbrew.

These are for TODAY only. 1. EOP 2. FOE 3. IR 4. PX 5. MF 6. UB 7. Apex 8. AAO 9. ST 10. SF 11. SUP 12. FI

@BvG@Lenin@Tyendinaga@Moni I offer you a slice of my giant brain and great ides for FREE. Seriously, I am open to help discussing the various little things that will outline such an ambitious idea by the community. For starters: MAKE IT 4 LISTS. P2P Fullout, P2P Matched, F2P Fullout and F2P Matched. Only set the matched category as minimum 30, but allow clans to pull whatever they like (just sit to the lower clan). Obviously fullouts would be uncapped.

I have under 70 posts and at least 1/6 of my posts use the word Raw List. Slush tried to shoot down my argument for said list on a previous thread like a week ago (with a terrible argument I might add). Implemented this win and per usual thank Deep Thought for getting the community back on track.

Then hopefully 4 and 5 will fullout or 7 and 8.

The raw list was KING way back in the day, people just make sad excuses as to why it wouldn't work today. As for SB tournaments vs. PCT do not tell me clans used to be able to pull 50+ more back then. There were tons of MPCs and that routinely pulled maybe 30-45 each weekend and 25-35 for preps (very similar to now) who would get together for the matched fights (no limit, just had to sit to the lower clan) and fullouts (Only top 3 or so clans pulled 100) during PCT. Most MPCs pulled in the 45-70 range to fullouts, but they still did them. There is some fake rational floating around here that if you cannot pull 100 to a fullout, then why do one. I simply do not understand it. Beyond that people keep just defaulting to "that will never work" rather than giving it a real shot. Ultimately, we have 10-12 open clans who can all reasonably pull 30 to a prep. It comes down to whether the ranks in the previously mentioned clans can sack up and make something work or if they would rather avoid action all together.

Why does no one do fullouts anymore? Pre-EOC there were a handful of fullouts every year. Further back in time, there were Raw List and later PCT (Pure Clan Tournament) fullouts for most clans in both servers. I don't believe too many clans these days would be able to get 100 (when did that even become a prereq to fullout) and it would be interesting to see more 60 v. 60+ clan wars fights.

64% of the community was wrong. Somehow I am not surprised.

Defense is going to kill the scene. Things are fine right now.

I think things are better than they have been for a long while. Despite the game limping along, the PURE scene is actually growing (or was over summer) relative to recent past. More defense is not the answer. The answer is better strategy. You should know 95% of fights will be crashed and you need to adapt to that. The scene is not over populated. In fact, it would be better for more clans to open. The best way to reduce crashing is for clans to actually sack up and fight eachother instead of waiting in single for something to start.

Which way do you see each clan trending? Which clans have improved or regressed the most? -Stock Since Summer- Against All Odds = UP Apex = UP Critical Damage = DOWN Eruption of Pures = UP Fatality = DOWN Final Ownage Elite = NEUTRAL Intense Redemption = UP Misfits = NEUTRAL Phoenix = UP Special Forces = UP? Supremacy = DOWN Unbreakable = DOWN

THESE ARE JUST TODAY'S RANKINGS P2P Sunday 1. EOP 2. FOE 3. IR 4. MF 5. PX 6. Apex 7. UB 8. AAO 9. SUP 10. FI 11. SF

1. Eop 2. Foe 3. PX 4. IR 5. UB 6. Apex 7. AAO 8. FI 9. SF 10. CD 11. SUP

I've written far more than I would usually care to about these topics on the pure clan community poll topic. I suggest everyone head over to that thread and read the multiple long posts. As for this specific topic, I think more or less every clan is guilty of at least some corner cutting. Obviously some clans take this to a whole new level. As I've said in the past, the best way to combat weak minded leadership is for the members to speak up. If you see your clan sitting a loyal member to let some "community" guy into a prep, then apply pressure for your leaders NOT to do that. If your current clans brings HPC accounts or mains to trips, explain that you don't agree with that. As always, if your current leaders do not see eye to eye with you on these integrity issues, then simply leave and join a clan who does.

Paragraph 1: Yes and No. I think there are some great leadership groups and some cancerous regimes. For the community as a whole to grow it matters more that the members are not recycled rather than the leaders. Realistically some new 2k17 clanner would not be able to create his own clan and rise to the top. The years (in some cases decades) old infrastructure of existing clans are important. I would note that currently within this community there is a unwritten rule of momentum that if you lose anything your clan is instantly in a slump or something. Back in the day, clans would have a handful of fullouts EACH year and even losing one of those did not carry such a giant weight. These days clans would rather get no action as they are outright petrified of losing. If the current leaders could overcome that mentality then the scene would grow overnight. Paragraph 2: 85%. The competitiveness and idea of rivalries is what fuels a lot of what makes our community great. However, there is a fine line between a solid rivalry/good banter and outright cancer. Obviously things should never go the way of doxing, ddosing, hackings and other scummy tactics. The more cancerous activities that happen in game tend to be ragging and the use of mains. The idea that ANY clan would want to engage in such a race to the bottom mostly just showcases how weak minded their leadership is. Who wants to be the best pure at using mains? or who wants to be the best ragger? The community as a whole would be better if we had even a shred of the honor and respect clans had back in the day for each other. Believe it or not, there was a whole era where you could get 1-2 other clans to anti-crash a wilderness full out. In this current era, members from EVERY single pure clan decided to go join EOP/FOEs rag war with random capes after their trips ended a fews back. I'm not sure that level of moral guidance will ever be recovered. In fact, it is amazing many of our community members had more self control a decade ago than they do now. Along the fine lines of a rivalry comes getting over petty brown sticky stuff. All clans are defined by their rivalries and best wins. Foe and MM's rivalry best showcases this. Where would we be if one of them had closed in say 2009? If you kill off all of your enemies, then who is left to fight? Paragraph 3: I completely disagree with this sentiment. This falls under the "OMG YOU PLAY RUNESCAPE IN <insert month/year>" banter bucket. Anyone who posts on this site simply cannot post "you should just all quit" and those who do are hypocritical losers lol. For those who do care either about the game or the community at large need to be the change they wish to see. Be thoughtful about how your actions ripple throughout the community. If you are a rank, then speak up for change and improvement. If you are a member, then pressure your ranks for change and improvement. If your ranks will not stand for what you believe is right, then leave and join a clan who does. Above all else, don't just be a bundle of twigsgot troll. No one thinks you are cool because of how much you don't care. If your life sucks so much outside of this game that you need to be an tomato for someone to pay attention to you then you should probably just go grab a rope lol.