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Fire strike wars were always a go-to thing back in the day for holidays (IE, Xmas or Easter or whatever) when PK'ing wasn't viable, pretty fun thing to do. The damage isn't high enough for KO's and usually people tank the majority of their food. 
 
I'd recommend them as its pretty difficult to take them deadly seriously and promotes a bit of laughter outside of winning/losing whilst working on organisation.

This site is newbundle of twigs central

I see what this topic is intended to do, but keeping it realistic for a second it depends how it goes in the next few weeks.
 
Addressing the elephant in the room; EOP beat RD in a 30 min prep recently and as such, EOP with the huge 90 people pulls and the wins at matched proved they are the dominant F2p clan at the moment with the untouchable pull and the dominant matched game.
 
As it stands, it's up to RD/ZU to prove they are better than EOP rather the vice versa simply because EOP are the best clan around at the moment and anyone with any sense can see that. Could ZU or RD do that? Sure they have the potential, both are great clans, but results speak louder than anything else and until the results come in, EOP are crowned at the top.
 
RD in particular have beat Fi matched recently which is an amazing accomplishment in its self, but eruption of pures DID beat RD in the last fight they had. I would love to see more because I truly believe RD could beat EOP on their day, just as EOP could beat RD on their day, so it would be nice to have a couple more fights to get a decisive victor because honestly, id love to know who is the best clan out of both of them.
 
Next time, who knows what could go on. But right now until the next prep happens EOP is sitting at the top of the pile and its up to everyone else to make the effort to dethrone them, not vice versa.
 
As a neutral in the entire thing I am looking forward to seeing what happens

I see what this topic is intended to do, but keeping it realistic for a second it depends how it goes in the next few weeks.
 
Addressing the elephant in the room; EOP beat RD in a 30 min prep recently and as such, EOP with the huge 90 people pulls and the wins at matched proved they are the dominant F2p clan at the moment with the untouchable pull and the dominant matched game.
 
As it stands, it's up to RD/ZU to prove they are better than EOP rather the vice versa simply because EOP are the best clan around at the moment and anyone with any sense can see that. Could ZU or RD do that? Sure they have the potential, both are great clans, but results speak louder than anything else and until the results come in, EOP are crowned at the top.
 
RD in particular have beat Fi matched recently which is an amazing accomplishment in its self, but eruption of pures DID beat RD in the last fight they had. I would love to see more because I truly believe RD could beat EOP on their day, just as EOP could beat RD on their day, so it would be nice to have a couple more fights to get a decisive victor because honestly, id love to know who is the best clan out of both of them.
 
Next time, who knows what could go on. But right now until the next prep happens EOP is sitting at the top of the pile and its up to everyone else to make the effort to dethrone them, not vice versa.
 
As a neutral in the entire thing I am looking forward to seeing what happens

Well, its hard to make a list thats easily compared to other lists because people base these sorts of lists on a tonne of different factors. Everyones lists will be pretty different.
 
I'm gonna make a F2P list based mainly on peaks but also overall influence and impact on the f2p scene as whole, as well as member/leader quality (including 'potential' based off that)
 
1.) Mayhem Makers 
2.) Eruption of Pures 
3.) Fatality
4.) Final Ownage Elite
5.) Epidemic
6.) Corrupt Pures
 
7.) The Last Pures
8.) Destructive Pures
9.) NME
 
10.) Intense Redemption
11.) Control
12.) Devastation
13.) Zenith
14.) The Hatred
15.) The Golden Gods
 
16.) Against All Odds
17.) Malice
18.) Redemtion
19.) Zerg Unit
20.) Calamity/Ascendency/Pure Annihilation/Chaotic/Hazard/others

My personal highlight was being involved in the LPC pushes, the first one was integral at that point as there were 3 or 4 clans remaining, and really contributed to the growth of the community and worked excellently. The 2nd one has a tonne of potential right now heading into the new year. In a year where nothing positive happened of any real significance, its a step in the right direction and proof that good things can still happen in this community.

Good job RD, Fi are a difficult clan to beat and it looks like you did it convincing fashion.
 
Looking forward to the rematch with EOP

Good job RD, Fi are a difficult clan to beat and it looks like you did it convincing fashion.
 
Looking forward to the rematch with EOP

Good job RD, Fi are a difficult clan to beat and it looks like you did it convincing fashion.
 
Looking forward to the rematch with EOP

Good job RD, Fi are a difficult clan to beat and it looks like you did it convincing fashion.
 
Looking forward to the rematch with EOP

Good job RD, Fi are a difficult clan to beat and it looks like you did it convincing fashion.
 
Looking forward to the rematch with EOP

My personal highlight was being involved in the LPC pushes, the first one was integral at that point as there were 3 or 4 clans remaining, and really contributed to the growth of the community and worked excellently. The 2nd one has a tonne of potential right now heading into the new year. In a year where nothing positive happened of any real significance, its a step in the right direction and proof that good things can still happen in this community.

Good job EOP, always a great feeling to prove a point in a prep.
 
Keep it up

Good job EOP, always a great feeling to prove a point in a prep.
 
Keep it up

What does any of this even mean? I'm sure it was hilarious in your head but in reality it misses the mark.
 
Any more of this retardation and I'm gonna ban you

The clanning community has been far weaker than it is now; namely before the first batch of LPC's came about when there was only FOE, Fi, EOP, and CP remaining who were actively having trips and what not. 
 
The last LPC scene lasted about 4 or 5 months as being "true" LPC clans until the HPC/MPC clans joined em, but the LPC scene having a short life span isn't a bad thing as them becoming MPC/HPC eventually is always the goal for a low level clan. It has to be. It isn't too much of a problem that it is similar ranks opening and closing, Zu and Sup's leadership who can be considered the 'standouts' from the last batch of LPCs both had various prior clans that the leadership or memberbases were a part of (TD/Malice/Mercy, and PD/EF/Hostility respectively) until something finally clicked and they became successful.
 
The ideal state of the community is when an LPC scene doesn't need to be manufactured and nurtured, and this comes about when there are more clans of varying 'power', especially towards the bottom of the rankings so that if a new clan opens they instantly have people to fight. If a single LPC clan opened without others alongside it, in the community right now they'd be singling themselves out and life would be very difficult for them to grow and expand, which is why theres been extra effort to make sure an LPC scene can be created to help all the clans who will be competing with each other.
 
Right now theres
 
Conquer
Trauma
Olympus
Curse
Omega
Chaos
Remedy
Impact
 
So hopefully once trips begin for these clans, things fall into place.

Well, its hard to make a list thats easily compared to other lists because people base these sorts of lists on a tonne of different factors. Everyones lists will be pretty different.
 
I'm gonna make a F2P list based mainly on peaks but also overall influence and impact on the f2p scene as whole, as well as member/leader quality (including 'potential' based off that)
 
1.) Mayhem Makers 
2.) Eruption of Pures 
3.) Fatality
4.) Final Ownage Elite
5.) Epidemic
6.) Corrupt Pures
 
7.) The Last Pures
8.) Destructive Pures
9.) NME
 
10.) Intense Redemption
11.) Control
12.) Devastation
13.) Zenith
14.) The Hatred
15.) The Golden Gods
 
16.) Against All Odds
17.) Malice
18.) Redemtion
19.) Zerg Unit
20.) Calamity/Ascendency/Pure Annihilation/Chaotic/Hazard/others

You say 07 is a game thats going no where. As opposed to Private servers that are going somewhere, right? haha come on, you can't really use that as an argument. Especially considering the opposite is probably true, as Pservs die all the time and there always seems to be an ongoing mass exodus to another server or whatever. At least in that regard 07 is a stable version of the game that you know is going no where, which is a positive thing really.
 
I'm not saying the people on these private servers are bad warrers at all, Runescape is made for children and warring in runescape is almost insultingly simple, so lets debunk the myth between "AWESOME WARRERS" and "BAD WARRERS". If you've got brain cells, your a good warrer on Runescape haha. It really isn't difficult.
 
In the out and out comparison with 07 clans they will always be B league, rightly or wrongly, due to the fact a good clan is usually a collection of people enjoying a shared journey/experience. Clans become good from building a foundation and crafting a legacy, which simply doesn't occur in most of the private server clans. In this very topic someone said
 

  Which shows that in 3 hours fresh from lumbridge or whatever, your in the clan and ready to own. In 07, its a longer experience by training accounts, intro'ing on forums, joining clans, etc. Whilst the time it takes isn't too long, its long enough that joining a clan actually means something and has required effort; human nature insists that if effort is put in, you feel much more strongly about wanting to win and wanting your clan to succeed. 
 
The fact is NONE of these Private server clans could compete on 07scape. Not from skill level or anything like that, but simply because the members want the quick 3 hour route as opposed to the dedication route. You wouldn't want to train an account up and all the other stuff needed to make an 07 account and I'm sure alot of the pserv clanners are the same, so the people who do have the dedication/willpower to do so WIN BY DEFAULT. If any Pserv clan moved to 07 they'd lose their memberbase who didn't wanna train, have no members, and as such, not be able to compete.
 
To conclude and to sum it up, I have no idea whos leading Massacre or any of the other private server clans but I think the proof is in the pudding in that Massacre were a substandard clan when they were open on "real" runescape, and only found success when moving to private servers. If a substandard clan could take the mantle of "#1 PSERV CLAN EVA", then what does that say about the competition as a whole in the pserv community? 
 
Again, I'm not insulting anybody who plays these Pservs or is in clans there, who am I to tell you guys what to do. I'm sure its great fun for you guys and I'm sure I'd enjoy it too. But suggesting these pserv clans can hold a candle to the better clans of 07 is ridiculous.

Whereas I have a PHd in pure clanning, I don't know a whole lot about pserver clanning but id like to think I know enough to make a judgement. They're all terrible for the most part (probability suggests there is a couple of exceptions) and always have been, until proven to me otherwise. It's pretty much the B leagues of pure clanning, and considering the quality in the A league, that's pretty bad. There is a reason they've chosen a private server to open their clan on, haha.
 
Is the Massacre people are saying the same one that was open on 'real' RS years ago?

Introduction
 
Back in April, the first 'manufactured' scene of LPC clans arose in Zerg Unit/Supremacy/Trauma/Hate. The hypeball began rolling, and these clans were soon joined by clans such as Bloody Vikingz/Destruction/Leet Tactics/Zenith amongst others, to create a highly active and productive low level scene. 
 
Whilst its true many clans closed during the period between then and now, this was always to be expected; the stronger clans rose to the top of the pile and managed to succeed where others could not. The weaker or less focused clans were sacrificed to contribute to the growth of the stronger clans, something which has been repeating itself since the start of the pure community back in 2004. Current clans such as Sup/Zu/LT/BV, not to mention the recently closed DR, were all products of this LPC scene and have directly contributed to the growth of the pure community, doubling it in size.
 
Now, 8 months on from the last wave of LPC's comes another, fresh batch of low level clans, all eager and hungry to prove their worth and become the next success stories from an LPC scene.
 
Of course, last time wasn't without its fair share of problems, namely the amount of time it took these LPC's to "be ready" to join the rest of the pure community, progressively worse rule breaking in terms of combat caps and defense caps et cetera. That has been taken into consideration this time, and the entire approach to building a new generation of low level clans is completely different. 
 
The Approach
 
The goal of manufacturing an LPC scene is to promote competition across the board and giving all clans the equal chance to grow. This allows the LPC's to help each other in giving them better competition and rivalries, and also gives all clans a better chance at eventually becoming an MPC.
 
Back in April, Clan Wars didn't exist in the 07 version of the game, which meant that competition solely took place in the wilderness which is a knifes edge in terms of stability in regards to new clans trying to prosper. Now however, clan wars does exist, and it is the perfect place to enforce rules such as combat caps, defence caps, and fair fights which is the key to growth for new LPC clans.
 
Therefore, in order to have the guaranteed fights that makes building a clan so important, and in order to give an incentive to stay within combat and defence caps, the LPC clans will be taking part in the inaugural "Sharkbrew Open", a clan wars tournament with a very specific format. Here is the vague outline;
The rules will be firm; 69 combat cap, 1-5 defense cap.  The tournament will be matched option fights, progressively growing larger and larger as the weeks progress. For example, Week 1 will be 10 vs 10. Week 2 will be 15 vs 15, Week 3 will be 20 vs 20. Week 4 will be 30 vs 30, eventually peaking at a sensible number. This incremental growth allows NEW clans with smaller memberbases the baby steps needed to recruit just 5 more people before the next week if need be, and over the course of a few months, will vastly improve the size of the memberlists in bite size, easy to achieve chunks for the entire scene. Not only this, but this will actually promote the invitation of people outside of the community INTO the community. Depending on the amount of clans entered, the tournament will run from between 1 to 2 months, giving plenty of time for new LPC clans to focus on short term goals with an ultimate long term achievement (winning the fights and hopefully, the tournament),whilst simultaneously building a core and a foundation for the future. Whilst we're still in the stage of discussing the terms and rules of the tournament, a league like system might be the initial stage with 3 points for a win and 1 point for a loss, promoting the idea of fighting the third round even if it is 2-0. The modern trend of leaving after the second loss is detrimental to the community as a whole, losing is a part of any competition and the quicker new clans learn that, the better there clan will be.  The intensity of the tournament will be ramped up week by week, especially in the league portion as the clans fight for points in order to win, which will result in some unforgettable fights and the drama that everyone seems to enjoy so much. So, by the conclusion of the tournament, we should be looking at a potential 5+ LPC clans that are all pulling in excess of 30 people, as they have gradually recruited 5 people a week throughout the entire tournament if needed. They will have a solid foundation after having something to focus on (the tournament) and will have had plenty of practice in fighting others with fair and uninterrupted results. With the big pulls they'll be having, it isn't outside the realms of possibility that by the tournaments conclusion these low level clans can change their requirements/caps and begin to contend with the MPC's far more regularly than at the beggining of the tournament. Not to mention, fun all around. Now, let me be clear here. Of course Clan Wars isn't the only place where fighting will happen. Clan Wars is simply the perfect place for a new clan to find its bearings and have the fights they need to get a foothold in stability. The wilderness exists, and I think ALL LPC clans should be using it. 
 
However, the wilderness has proven itself to be a brutal and unforgiving place, which is why I am very concious of trying not to "hold the hand" of the LPC clans. Finding your own footing as a clan in the wilderness is important and I am of the opinion that clans shouldn't have their 'hand held', as its a detriment to them later down the line.
 
The State of Things Currently
 
Now, this isn't just mindless theorizing, the wheels are already in motion with several LPC's already open or very close to open, register on their forums/check out their IRC's and see whats going on with them. The ones that are in a state in which they have a website/irc/staff ready are as follows;
 

http://clan-conquer.com/community/

http://anthrax-rs.com/community/

http://olympus-rs.com/elites/

http://clan-trauma.net/forums/
 
 

Other clans such as Escape, Remedy, and Curse etc also likely to join these clans.

I wish all these clans good luck, they're already looking awesome. Lets hope that they do well and grow into respectable MPC clans in their own right somewhere down the line.
 
What can YOU do?
 
Alright, so this is where you guys come in. I'm inviting anybody and everybody who feels like its a good idea to get involved in this tournament to do so. The goal of this tournament is to build some viable LPC's that will go on to eventually fill out the community much the way Zu/Sup/BV/LT/etc have done, but the more competition for clans, the better, in any form. There will be clans that set out to be MPC's, but teams that exist solely for the tournament and will cease to exist AFTER it are also welcome and beneficial for the clans that DO want to be MPC's.
 
If you have no intention of creating a clan but think its a great idea and sounds fun, don't let that deter you. Simply gather a bunch of friends, a bunch of clan members, or a bunch of random people (remember, 69 combat cap) think of a cool name, make an IRC, and enter the tournament. You don't have to be an official clan and can simply be a team in the tournament. 
 
If you have been thinking about creating a clan over the last few months (or ever, for that matter), now is the PERFECT time to do so. You've seen the success that CAN occur with things like this in the form of the clans from the last LPC batch that were successful. There literally is no better time than now; if your ever gonna do it, do it NOW. This is an excellent oppotunity that doesn't come along very often. Make the most of it.
 
Conclusion
 
I know its long but theres alot of information here and alot to be said. The last time an LPC scene was manafactured from nothing resulted in older clans such as EOP/CP/FI etc having double the amount of competition, some awesome fights, and the rejuvenation of the pure world. Hopefully when all is said and done, the current clans have ANOTHER 5+ clans to fight. Give it a chance.
 
Thanks for reading

I'm guessing its averaged out, and the majority of those unique views that are not from registered guests are from when the site is ddos'ed. So when Sharkbrew gets ddos'ed its actually up'ing the value of the site by having more unique visitors/pageviews? Aha, thats funny. 

Rd is full of new people aka new bundle of twigss

Doesn't really matter what clan you join; they're all the same anyway haha.
 
Goodluck finding a clan

Doesn't really matter what clan you join; they're all the same anyway haha.
 
Goodluck finding a clan