not counted EoP vs Ruin Tournament World Prep 2-0

[Ir0ny]

I only skimmed the topic, can you provide reference to those pics?

Lol how are you going to solve this if you don't check out the topic slush

 

here bro 

 

Pic provided by EoP:

 

Pic provided by Ruin:

[Godly]

Join Olympus

[Murd]

Lol how are you going to solve this if you don't check out the topic slush

 

here bro 

 

Pic provided by EoP:

 

Pic provided by Ruin:

The first pic is of Ruin blatantly breaking the rules during round one. Despite this, EOP still won the round. 1-0

Second round ended up in a redo because of Ruin again breaking the rules and having def/def gear. A redo was organised between both clans as shown below.

 

[12:34:35] <James|Duces> redo

01[12:34:54] <[EoP]Murd> we can redo

[12:35:02] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:07] <[EoP]Murd> tyler doesnt want the time to be wasted with these ppl bringing spears/bandos n sht

01[12:35:11] <[EoP]Murd> apparently its the tlp kids

[12:35:17] <James|Duces> neither do we

[12:35:20] <James|Duces> no it was my brother..

01[12:35:30] <[EoP]Murd> so you attack again

[12:35:33] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:52] <[EoP]Murd> just make sure all of your cunts are in proper gear etc too

[12:36:05] <James|Duces> tell sean to bank the hally

01[12:36:24] <[EoP]Murd> kkkkkk

 

Second pic is of during round 3 where one individual took it upon themselves to do what Ruin were and have Defence/wear armour which we had no control over seeing as they had an armour switch, despite being told not to. However, again Ruin still had those people breaking the rules too. No redo was agreed upon because it would evidently be a waste of time for both clans if one was to continue breaking the rules.

(dragon defender bottom right)

 

[12:45:57] <James|Duces> give it another shot

[12:46:01] <James|Duces> if it happens again

[12:46:03] <James|Duces> we'll leave it

01[12:46:12] <[EoP]Murd> tyler said nah :/

01[12:46:17] <[EoP]Murd> so :[

[12:46:25] <James|Duces> half the clans still logged in

[12:46:26] <James|Duces> just do it

01[12:47:54] <[EoP]Murd> we arent doing anymore :C

[12:48:01] <James|Duces> ur still all herwe?

01[12:48:15] <[EoP]Murd> they doin inners

01[12:48:54] <[EoP]Murd> they gotta take this brown sticky stuff more srsly

[12:49:00] <James|Duces> ikr

 

 

@@slushpuppy there was no realistic way of continuing on doing more rounds if our opponent had people intent on cheating every single round. To have the whole prep nulled for a reason such is this is quite irrational, and would be the same as nulling a p2p prep between two clans because someone on a side has mystic/infinity boots on during a 1 def cap. Not to mention, in a majority of LPC/MPC preps, there are accounts with 40+ defence; yet the prep remains legitimate. If cases in the past have awarded the clan with a victory when one party has cheated in all rounds while the other has cheated in none/one, then this should be no exception. It would be a mockery of justice to see this prep nulled.

 

Not to mention, it is awfully convenient that a TLP member would create a dispute for a prep in their MPC that has been added to the COTM that if successful in nulling/stalling the prep score being added, would result in their HPC winning COTM rather than losing it/tieing. If the dispute is successful, adding this prep to March COTM would be a full on bias as those who originally disputed to make this nulled had nothing to win/nor lose by disputing (they were 5:5 on the COTM), however their HPC which many are a part of had COTM at stake.

 

May I also add;

If the first round was nulled then they didn't win the prep. Can they provide pictures of cheating?

As EoP did not cheat in the first round, the round was therefore not nulled. From what you are saying, if the first round is not nulled then we did win the prep and it does count. Therefore, you have been making an obstruction of justice which can be considered a felony.

[Murd]

In other words...

 

[coc is roc]

wdf murd

[Murd]

wdf murd

I just got unbanned I have to release it somewhere

[Joe Ftw]

The first pic is of Ruin blatantly breaking the rules during round one. Despite this, EOP still won the round. 1-0

Second round ended up in a redo because of Ruin again breaking the rules and having def/def gear. A redo was organised between both clans as shown below.

 

[12:34:35] <James|Duces> redo

01[12:34:54] <[EoP]Murd> we can redo

[12:35:02] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:07] <[EoP]Murd> tyler doesnt want the time to be wasted with these ppl bringing spears/bandos n sht

01[12:35:11] <[EoP]Murd> apparently its the tlp kids

[12:35:17] <James|Duces> neither do we

[12:35:20] <James|Duces> no it was my brother..

01[12:35:30] <[EoP]Murd> so you attack again

[12:35:33] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:52] <[EoP]Murd> just make sure all of your cunts are in proper gear etc too

[12:36:05] <James|Duces> tell sean to bank the hally

01[12:36:24] <[EoP]Murd> kkkkkk

 

Second pic is of during round 3 where one individual took it upon themselves to do what Ruin were and have Defence/wear armour which we had no control over seeing as they had an armour switch, despite being told not to. However, again Ruin still had those people breaking the rules too. No redo was agreed upon because it would evidently be a waste of time for both clans if one was to continue breaking the rules.

 

[12:45:57] <James|Duces> give it another shot

[12:46:01] <James|Duces> if it happens again

[12:46:03] <James|Duces> we'll leave it

01[12:46:12] <[EoP]Murd> tyler said nah :/

01[12:46:17] <[EoP]Murd> so :[

[12:46:25] <James|Duces> half the clans still logged in

[12:46:26] <James|Duces> just do it

01[12:47:54] <[EoP]Murd> we arent doing anymore :C

[12:48:01] <James|Duces> ur still all herwe?

01[12:48:15] <[EoP]Murd> they doin inners

01[12:48:54] <[EoP]Murd> they gotta take this brown sticky stuff more srsly

[12:49:00] <James|Duces> ikr

 

 

@@slushpuppy there was no realistic way of continuing on doing more rounds if our opponent had people intent on cheating every single round. To have the whole prep nulled for a reason such is this is quite irrational, and would be the same as nulling a p2p prep between two clans because someone on a side has mystic/infinity boots on during a 1 def cap. Not to mention, in a majority of LPC/MPC preps, there are accounts with 40+ defence; yet the prep remains legitimate. If cases in the past have awarded the clan with a victory when one party has cheated in all rounds while the other has cheated in none/one, then this should be no exception. It would be a mockery of justice to see this prep nulled.

 

Not to mention, it is awfully convenient that a TLP member would create a dispute for a prep in their MPC that has been added to the COTM that if successful in nulling/stalling the prep score being added, would result in their HPC winning COTM rather than losing it/tieing. 

 

May I also add;

 

 

As EoP did not cheat in the first round, the round was therefore not nulled. From what you are saying, if the first round is not nulled then we did win the prep and it does count. Therefore, you have been making an obstruction of justice which can be considered a felony.

@Ir0ny @slushpuppy

 

Might want to digest that for a second guys.. The fact that this prep was added to our prep score and then later amended which ultimately cost EoP the clan of the month award seems very convenient. Actions like this on behalf of a few individuals make the entire SharkBrew rank team look very unprofessional.  

The first pic is of Ruin blatantly breaking the rules during round one. Despite this, EOP still won the round. 1-0

Second round ended up in a redo because of Ruin again breaking the rules and having def/def gear. A redo was organised between both clans as shown below.

 

[12:34:35] <James|Duces> redo

01[12:34:54] <[EoP]Murd> we can redo

[12:35:02] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:07] <[EoP]Murd> tyler doesnt want the time to be wasted with these ppl bringing spears/bandos n sht

01[12:35:11] <[EoP]Murd> apparently its the tlp kids

[12:35:17] <James|Duces> neither do we

[12:35:20] <James|Duces> no it was my brother..

01[12:35:30] <[EoP]Murd> so you attack again

[12:35:33] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:52] <[EoP]Murd> just make sure all of your cunts are in proper gear etc too

[12:36:05] <James|Duces> tell sean to bank the hally

01[12:36:24] <[EoP]Murd> kkkkkk

 

Second pic is of during round 3 where one individual took it upon themselves to do what Ruin were and have Defence/wear armour which we had no control over seeing as they had an armour switch, despite being told not to. However, again Ruin still had those people breaking the rules too. No redo was agreed upon because it would evidently be a waste of time for both clans if one was to continue breaking the rules.

(dragon defender bottom right)

 

[12:45:57] <James|Duces> give it another shot

[12:46:01] <James|Duces> if it happens again

[12:46:03] <James|Duces> we'll leave it

01[12:46:12] <[EoP]Murd> tyler said nah :/

01[12:46:17] <[EoP]Murd> so :[

[12:46:25] <James|Duces> half the clans still logged in

[12:46:26] <James|Duces> just do it

01[12:47:54] <[EoP]Murd> we arent doing anymore :C

[12:48:01] <James|Duces> ur still all herwe?

01[12:48:15] <[EoP]Murd> they doin inners

01[12:48:54] <[EoP]Murd> they gotta take this brown sticky stuff more srsly

[12:49:00] <James|Duces> ikr

 

 

@@slushpuppy there was no realistic way of continuing on doing more rounds if our opponent had people intent on cheating every single round. To have the whole prep nulled for a reason such is this is quite irrational, and would be the same as nulling a p2p prep between two clans because someone on a side has mystic/infinity boots on during a 1 def cap. Not to mention, in a majority of LPC/MPC preps, there are accounts with 40+ defence; yet the prep remains legitimate. If cases in the past have awarded the clan with a victory when one party has cheated in all rounds while the other has cheated in none/one, then this should be no exception. It would be a mockery of justice to see this prep nulled.

 

Not to mention, it is awfully convenient that a TLP member would create a dispute for a prep in their MPC that has been added to the COTM that if successful in nulling/stalling the prep score being added, would result in their HPC winning COTM rather than losing it/tieing. If the dispute is successful, adding this prep to March COTM would be a full on bias as those who originally disputed to make this nulled had nothing to win/nor lose by disputing (they were 5:5 on the COTM), however their HPC which many are a part of had COTM at stake.

 

May I also add;

As EoP did not cheat in the first round, the round was therefore not nulled. From what you are saying, if the first round is not nulled then we did win the prep and it does count. Therefore, you have been making an obstruction of justice which can be considered a felony.

@slushpuppy @Ir0ny

 

Might want to digest that for a second guys.. The fact that this prep was added to our prep score and then later amended which ultimately cost EoP the clan of the month award seems very convenient. Actions like this on behalf of a few individuals make the entire SharkBrew rank team look very unprofessional.  

[Joe Ftw]

@@Ir0ny

 

@@slushpuppy

[Pain]

Gratz Eop

[slushpuppy]

The first pic is of Ruin blatantly breaking the rules during round one. Despite this, EOP still won the round. 1-0

Second round ended up in a redo because of Ruin again breaking the rules and having def/def gear. A redo was organised between both clans as shown below.

 

[12:34:35] <James|Duces> redo

01[12:34:54] <[EoP]Murd> we can redo

[12:35:02] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:07] <[EoP]Murd> tyler doesnt want the time to be wasted with these ppl bringing spears/bandos n sht

01[12:35:11] <[EoP]Murd> apparently its the tlp kids

[12:35:17] <James|Duces> neither do we

[12:35:20] <James|Duces> no it was my brother..

01[12:35:30] <[EoP]Murd> so you attack again

[12:35:33] <James|Duces> ye

01[12:35:52] <[EoP]Murd> just make sure all of your cunts are in proper gear etc too

[12:36:05] <James|Duces> tell sean to bank the hally

01[12:36:24] <[EoP]Murd> kkkkkk

 

Second pic is of during round 3 where one individual took it upon themselves to do what Ruin were and have Defence/wear armour which we had no control over seeing as they had an armour switch, despite being told not to. However, again Ruin still had those people breaking the rules too. No redo was agreed upon because it would evidently be a waste of time for both clans if one was to continue breaking the rules.

(dragon defender bottom right)

 

[12:45:57] <James|Duces> give it another shot

[12:46:01] <James|Duces> if it happens again

[12:46:03] <James|Duces> we'll leave it

01[12:46:12] <[EoP]Murd> tyler said nah :/

01[12:46:17] <[EoP]Murd> so :[

[12:46:25] <James|Duces> half the clans still logged in

[12:46:26] <James|Duces> just do it

01[12:47:54] <[EoP]Murd> we arent doing anymore :C

[12:48:01] <James|Duces> ur still all herwe?

01[12:48:15] <[EoP]Murd> they doin inners

01[12:48:54] <[EoP]Murd> they gotta take this brown sticky stuff more srsly

[12:49:00] <James|Duces> ikr

 

 

@@slushpuppy there was no realistic way of continuing on doing more rounds if our opponent had people intent on cheating every single round. To have the whole prep nulled for a reason such is this is quite irrational, and would be the same as nulling a p2p prep between two clans because someone on a side has mystic/infinity boots on during a 1 def cap. Not to mention, in a majority of LPC/MPC preps, there are accounts with 40+ defence; yet the prep remains legitimate. If cases in the past have awarded the clan with a victory when one party has cheated in all rounds while the other has cheated in none/one, then this should be no exception. It would be a mockery of justice to see this prep nulled.

 

Not to mention, it is awfully convenient that a TLP member would create a dispute for a prep in their MPC that has been added to the COTM that if successful in nulling/stalling the prep score being added, would result in their HPC winning COTM rather than losing it/tieing. If the dispute is successful, adding this prep to March COTM would be a full on bias as those who originally disputed to make this nulled had nothing to win/nor lose by disputing (they were 5:5 on the COTM), however their HPC which many are a part of had COTM at stake.

 

May I also add;

As EoP did not cheat in the first round, the round was therefore not nulled. From what you are saying, if the first round is not nulled then we did win the prep and it does count. Therefore, you have been making an obstruction of justice which can be considered a felony.

 

So essentially 1 round u won, the 2nd round that u won, both broke the rules anyway?

[Ir0ny]

So essentially 1 round u won, the 2nd round that u won, both broke the rules anyway?

@@Murd @@slushpuppy

 

TLP members being involved with this has nothing to do with Ruin. I am not disputing this over any affiliation with TLP at all. The fact of the matter is that in any NORMAL circumstances this prep would be nulled and would not be argued over. E.G: http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/16734-p2p-prepruin-vs-olympus-ft-leaving-after-2-rounds/

 

It is only being disputed because EoP want to win COTM.

 

This doesn't affect Ruin's COTM at all and I am not biased because I could care less who wins COTM for HPC but to be consistent on sharkbrew when rules are broken on either or both sides during a prep in the past these preps have been nulled.

 

EVERY ROUND THERE WAS A RULE BROKEN.

 

@@Joe Ftw YES, originally the win was added as there was no dispute, because I did not think we needed to dispute its when we both EoP and Ruin members admitted to the cheating in the prep.

 

After seing the win was added yes I disputed and it was nulled.

 

Going back on @@slushpuppy's decision now would be called biased as he did not read the topic originally but after being disputed he decided to null.

 

In summary, by giving a win to EoP for this prep it would suggest that preps within the CWL still count regardless of rules being broken which would not be consistent with the way CWL is currently being ran. However, if this is the decision than all future preps with the same issue should be handled similarly. 

[Murd]

@@Murd @@slushpuppy

 

TLP members being involved with this has nothing to do with Ruin. I am not disputing this over any affiliation with TLP at all. The fact of the matter is that in any NORMAL circumstances this prep would be nulled and would not be argued over. E.G: http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/16734-p2p-prepruin-vs-olympus-ft-leaving-after-2-rounds/

 

It is only being disputed because EoP want to win COTM.

 

This doesn't affect Ruin's COTM at all and I am not biased because I could care less who wins COTM for HPC but to be consistent on sharkbrew when rules are broken on either or both sides during a prep in the past these preps have been nulled.

 

EVERY ROUND THERE WAS A RULE BROKEN.

 

@@Joe Ftw YES, originally the win was added as there was no dispute, because I did not think we needed to dispute its when we both EoP and Ruin members admitted to the cheating in the prep.

 

After seing the win was added yes I disputed and it was nulled.

 

Going back on @@slushpuppy's decision now would be called biased as he did not read the topic originally but after being disputed he decided to null.

 

In summary, by giving a win to EoP for this prep it would suggest that preps within the CWL still count regardless of rules being broken which would not be consistent with the way CWL is currently being ran. However, if this is the decision than all future preps with the same issue should be handled similarly. 

Explain to me why numerous people in Ruin were cheating every round. That should be an automatic disqualification on your end if we are being strict to the rules.

 

There is only one case of someone in EoP breaking the rules, and that also happened to be in the third round where people were frustrated with Ruin cheating every round and one person took it among themselves to do the same. Nobody cares for one person wearing addy in the final round of a f2p prep ( @@Plawpy for instance does it almost every time he can ), so that can apply to one person from EoP doing it for one round. It does not however excuse Ruin for having numerous people breaking them every round despite us explicitly telling them not to. The rules were broken to an extensive length by Ruin, so realistically EoP should have been giving the prep score and win on the CWL. One round with one person messing around does not equate to numerous people in Ruin breaking the rules every single round played.

 

I don't think the CWL allows people that consistently broke the rules to file legitimate disputes. I agree with you that every round there was a rule broken, but Ruin were the ones to do so. By your logic, I could wear full addy in every round vs TLP in a prep that we lose and then make a dispute for the prep to be nulled because of somebody wearing addy in a 1 def cap so nobody gets any prep score. There's no reason not to award the prep score to a clan that overcame their opponents cheating and emerged victorious. If anything, a round of applause should be added on.

[Murd]

So essentially 1 round u won, the 2nd round that u won, both broke the rules anyway?

We won the first round (our attacking) fairly despite them having numerous people breaking the rules. The second round (our defending) we agreed to redo as Ruin were breaking the rules again. So on the third (our defending redo) we won, however only one individual put on main gear when we were up 4 on our side in retaliation to their cheating (one person messing about like this does not equate to Ruin having numerous people every round doing it for the entire round). Ruin still had numerous people breaking the rules in this round as well. We decided after we won that round that we wouldn't bother with any more because they broke the rules in each and every round.

[Ir0ny]

Explain to me why numerous people in Ruin were cheating every round. That should be an automatic disqualification on your end if we are being strict to the rules.

 

There is only one case of someone in EoP breaking the rules, and that also happened to be in the third round where people were frustrated with Ruin cheating every round and one person took it among themselves to do the same. Nobody cares for one person wearing addy in the final round of a f2p prep ( @@Plawpy for instance does it almost every time he can ), so that can apply to one person from EoP doing it for one round. It does not however excuse Ruin for having numerous people breaking them every round despite us explicitly telling them not to. The rules were broken to an extensive length by Ruin, so realistically EoP should have been giving the prep score and win on the CWL. One round with one person messing around does not equate to numerous people in Ruin breaking the rules every single round played.

 

I don't think the CWL allows people that consistently broke the rules to file legitimate disputes. I agree with you that every round there was a rule broken, but Ruin were the ones to do so. By your logic, I could wear full addy in every round vs TLP in a prep that we lose and then make a dispute for the prep to be nulled because of somebody wearing addy in a 1 def cap so nobody gets any prep score. There's no reason not to award the prep score to a clan that overcame their opponents cheating and emerged victorious. If anything, a round of applause should be added on.

But so did EoP members, thats the point. There was cheating both sides every round. You have pictures but can't prove which rounds they are in. Ruin got called out for cheating and the round was redone, however after the next round were cheating was found there was not a redo and you left trying to claim a win after.

 

You can't claim that we were the only ones cheating when your pictures of the exact same thing and can't prove which round. We all know that there were kids on boths sides with 70+ def regardless of if they were wearing arma/bandos.

 

@@Murd BUT it wasn't just Ruin who cheated so that TLP example does not apply. I'm not just talking brown sticky stuff I have fought in the same position you are before an was told I was wrong and the prep was nulled so thats why I believe the same action should be taken.

[Murd]

But so did EoP members, thats the point. There was cheating both sides every round. You have pictures but can't prove which rounds they are in. Ruin got called out for cheating and the round was redone, however after the next round were cheating was found there was not a redo and you left trying to claim a win after.

 

You can't claim that we were the only ones cheating when your pictures of the exact same thing and can't prove which round. We all know that there were kids on boths sides with 70+ def regardless of if they were wearing arma/bandos.

 

@@Murd BUT it wasn't jut Ruin who cheated so that TLP example does not apply. I'm not just talking brown sticky stuff I have fought in the same position you are before an was told I was wrong and the prep was nulled so thats why I believe the same action should be taken.

Your argument is based off of multiple EoP cheating. There was only one in the 3rd round (where we were already 1-0 in rounds and up 4 in the current round) whereas you had numerous people cheating.

 

One person acting out in retaliation to you cheating every single round does not justify multiple people in Ruin cheating in every single round in the first place. There was no redo after the last round because we knew it would just be a repeat and a waste of time, we wanted a fair clean fight but were unable to get that. 

 

If the one person in EoP who did it was doing it at an important moment in the round and was in any case making a decisive move to make us win rather than lose, then the isolated incident would be credible. However we were up  at the time and he was not piled. Furthermore, for the duration of each round, Ruin members were abusing their defence and rule breaking by using offensive extras in order to take down their piles faster. Multiple people using max str every round is a credible aspect.

[Ir0ny]

Your argument is based off of multiple EoP cheating. There was only one in the 3rd round (where we were already 1-0 in rounds and up 4 in the current round) whereas you had numerous people cheating.

 

One person acting out in retaliation to you cheating every single round does not justify multiple people in Ruin cheating in every single round in the first place. There was no redo after the last round because we knew it would just be a repeat and a waste of time, we wanted a fair clean fight but were unable to get that. 

 

If the one person in EoP who did it was doing it at an important moment in the round and was in any case making a decisive move to make us win rather than lose, then the isolated incident would be credible. However we were up  at the time and he was not piled. Furthermore, for the duration of each round, Ruin members were abusing their defence and rule breaking by using offensive extras in order to take down their piles faster. Multiple people using max str every round is a credible aspect.

Yeah just said it yourself Murd. You don't win the prep if you win one round and leave.

 

If we redid r2 because of cheating, why wasn't r3 redone because of cheating?

 

Because you guys dipped and now are trying to claim that you won.

[slushpuppy]

We won the first round (our attacking) fairly despite them having numerous people breaking the rules. The second round (our defending) we agreed to redo as Ruin were breaking the rules again. So on the third (our defending redo) we won, however only one individual put on main gear when we were up 4 on our side in retaliation to their cheating (one person messing about like this does not equate to Ruin having numerous people every round doing it for the entire round). Ruin still had numerous people breaking the rules in this round as well. We decided after we won that round that we wouldn't bother with any more because they broke the rules in each and every round.

 

Referring to this topic:

 

http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/15039-clan-wars-league-clan-prep-league-successor/

 

What Is NOT Counted?

 

..

Fights that break the rules- We will discount rounds which rules were broken.

 

 

 

In this case, the rules were clearly broken by both sides. Whether the rules were broken by 1 or 10 people, it doesn't matter. Either you control your members or ask for a redo for that particular round.

 

In my opinion, you beat Ruin 1-0, that makes you short of the 2-0 needed to log a win into the system.

 

This will be my final decision.