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Apex needs to get back to their roots tbh, they were a lot more successful as a clan when they were focussed on their matched opts and not being obedient meatshields to main clans. 

@Intensitynot go quiet on me now friend

You're right, beating xl and bv 26 times in a level 70 bracket is very prestigious 

you really are clueless aren't you

Impartially it's a good topic. I would also like to add that in 2014 it was only Fi, CP, EoP in the HPC scene (mains very active, 30 defence around too, everyone thought the scene was dead). But with ivp and others, a number of clans in LPC (xlpc) emerged such as sup, zu, etc. The scenes merged near the end of 2014 and that held out until it started suffering by 2016, as you mentioned which then led to the 2017 reset which was had very positive implications on the scene.
 
Additionally, correct me if I'm wrong but you have left out another large issue regarding mains; being the frequent chatter and alliances some pure clans have with main clans and organized groups on both sides of their rivalries. In order to mitigate the damage, this communication would need to be cut. The main clans may still send units to snipe, but there can't be pure clans involved being used as proxies for main clan drama.

Good topic, lots of work went into it, thanks for taking the time 

We need an :oof: reaction for posts here.
 
OT: Good to see fo make an appearance, you had me worried for a moment with the lack of, well, everything lately

The most amusing part of this is that each group of clans will have clean pure action with one another, but as soon as a rival crashes (usually with mains), it becomes cancer. Otherwise, it's generally very nice and proper.
 
It should tell everyone that the scene isn't as hopeless as it seems, just that positive communication = results, but right now there is little positive communication between sides due to dishonesty and trying to gain the upper hand (false claims of no longer being main affiliated or bringing mains). Zenith and apex have clean fights with eachother, rage and og have clean fights,  etc etc. It can be done, the big question is will a bunch of grown men choose to on this wizard simulator.

We need an :oof: reaction for posts here.
 
OT: Good to see fo make an appearance, you had me worried for a moment with the lack of, well, everything lately

You're telling me terror called a halt on their heated rivalry supremacy to pay them to go in their capes to try and beat fi? They really don't like losing to you guys 

You're telling me terror called a halt on their heated rivalry supremacy to pay them to go in their capes to try and beat fi? They really don't like losing to you guys 

You're telling me terror called a halt on their heated rivalry supremacy to pay them to go in their capes to try and beat fi? They really don't like losing to you guys 

Can't really disagree with anything there. Members and ranks being involved in both scenes has definitely proven sour for the progress of the pure scene. This is particular with multiclanning (rev alliance) and members being poached from the pure clans involved (rot alliance). The scene gets a little smaller each time this issue peaks, as it has been a lingering issue since the beginning if 2020.
 
At the end of the day, pure clans are being used as proxies for main clan beef so that no main clans need to take an official loss. Rage get smoked? Rev don't lose for propaganda purposes. Zenith/Apex get smoked? Rot don't lose for propaganda purposes. With this whole ordeal, pure clans lose out 100% of the time. In an ideal situation, yes multiclanning should be minimised, or non existant between the scenes if main clans are going to be anal about it.
 
The ego issue is purely based on rivalries. The rage sided clans will all have clean action with eachother. The zenith sided clans will all have clean action with eachother. Due to not wanting to lose or wanting to grief their rivals with mains and 1 item rag (the no action for 'x' clan mentality), clans crashing aren't trying to form a cluster, they're trying to ruin their rival's action and turn it into the tine consuming ns wars at a 1 click return spot.
 
And as @nawepointed out, avoider mentality is crazy right now. Clans that historically prepped everybody and competed for top matched spots now spend their time avoiding most clans. At the very least, more clans should be fighting regardless of their rivalries. Preps are perfect ego fuellers, they should be gunning for the clan wars wins as well over their rivals (but not go for a 1 and done if they win).
 
One last note, a 1 Defence reset won't change all these cancerous mentalities, but it would be a very nice direction for the health of the scene and bringing in new blood. Generally, more seasoned clanners are the ones fine with defence. If we want lots of new blood, allowing a 1 Defence norm will advertise the scene very well.
 
Edit: sorry, one more thing. Clans should stop wearing team capes on weekends IMO because it enables mains to be very actively involved. Clan cloaks won't stop it, but it'll stop a lot of the cancer and effectiveness of multi logs and click rag on weekends. Supremacy and Fo do this well, and from an observant point of view they don't seem to be involved with bringing mains personally. 

this topic was written by a zenith member

If the scene did transition to 1 defence again, I doubt it would go back to 25 defence as quickly as last time, considering the only reason people trained def again was because of clan wars and we know 80% of clans don't do that anymore.
 
Optimistically; yes, a 1-5 defence scene would be very beneficial. Tanks will have less of a foothold against you, and if everyone's 1 defence then low level wildy fights won't be an issue, which also negates overpowered tanks (for he most part). Will a reset ever happen? Who knows, clans like zenith already have access to a memberbase of 1 def accounts, the deciding factor will be if clans can finally let go of the hands if main clans.

If the scene did transition to 1 defence again, I doubt it would go back to 25 defence as quickly as last time, considering the only reason people trained def again was because of clan wars and we know 80% of clans don't do that anymore.
 
Optimistically; yes, a 1-5 defence scene would be very beneficial. Tanks will have less of a foothold against you, and if everyone's 1 defence then low level wildy fights won't be an issue, which also negates overpowered tanks (for he most part). Will a reset ever happen? Who knows, clans like zenith already have access to a memberbase of 1 def accounts, the deciding factor will be if clans can finally let go of the hands if main clans.

If the scene did transition to 1 defence again, I doubt it would go back to 25 defence as quickly as last time, considering the only reason people trained def again was because of clan wars and we know 80% of clans don't do that anymore.
 
Optimistically; yes, a 1-5 defence scene would be very beneficial. Tanks will have less of a foothold against you, and if everyone's 1 defence then low level wildy fights won't be an issue, which also negates overpowered tanks (for he most part). Will a reset ever happen? Who knows, clans like zenith already have access to a memberbase of 1 def accounts, the deciding factor will be if clans can finally let go of the hands if main clans.

The root causes of the current situtation (pure clans playing nh, main clans ragging pure clans) are these:
The pking scene is dying (no bh, rev cave, pvmers in wildy). There are a lot less players now in the pking/clanning community. Without midweek pking there is not much reason to play (for many people doing inners and cwa is just not sufficient). I dont blame these people staying away from this game, not bonding their accounts just to have 2 pk trips at weekends. The few hundred players who are still doing clanning are mostly veterans and have hatred for each other. You should look into yourselves and find out what's wrong with what you are doing (only playing the game to ruin others' fun). Until any of these two gets fixed nothing is gonna get better here.

current clients: 14/unlimited
*Dont have the teamspeak pic yet because @YOOITZKID got demoted from cwa leader to attendance taker and is still struggling with the transition to taking a picture of 14 people on teamspeak!
 
Today we pulled a strong elite 14 fearless eagles for our weekly darkbow trip and had so much fun sitting in singles and lobby for 90% of the trip! 

VIDEOS
none of our 14 pull were vidding, mpc was still trying to figure out how to take mid attendance  

PICTURES
 only one strong eagle has posted one picture but it is obviously more than enough to showcase our entire clan performing extreme OWNAGE!

 
Want to be a legend? Join Fo today and help us put the elite back in our name and pull more opts than years we've been open!! Danny will certainly come back when we pull high again!

Now that's just painful to watch, nice job on taking out the alliance rage

Now that's just painful to watch, nice job on taking out the alliance rage

ez reopened for a cwa fight just to lose lmao

A venny losing a staff hurts just that bit more because you know a family misses out on food tonight over a runescape alliance

Og on top as always. Might have to do a case study on the psychological effects that this crash war is having on the anti retard alliance to understand their disappearances 👀

Og on top as always. Might have to do a case study on the psychological effects that this crash war is having on the anti retard alliance to understand their disappearances 👀