slushpuppy Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 If you still haven't read my original topic: http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/29125-new-pure-clan-classification-the-solution-to-mains/ I am pleased with the response to the original update. Organically, 1 def is currently the best PVP build below 80~ combat, and I am delighted that majority of you are on the same viewport as Sharkbrew. While the clan classification update solves the problem of mains in the wildy by naturally reducing the combat levels, thus making LPCs/MPCs less susceptible to mains at mid-tier wilderness, there is the issue of clan wars events. The goal is to standardized prep/mini guidelines that will make it easier for clans to get events with each other(These guidelines are not absolute and clans are free to negotiate their own rules) For the following: XLPC(Extra Low Defence Pure Clan) 1-5 Def(<60 avg CB) LPC(Low Defence Pure Clan) 1-5 DefMPC(Middle Defence Pure Clan) 1-20 DefHPC(Higher Defence Pure Clan) 1-30+ Def I'll need your feedback on what should be the standardized rules Use the below template: **********************EDIT THE VALUES BELOW********************************* @slushpuppy XLPC: No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armorLPC: No overs =< 60 combat cap, 1 def armor Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor Overs on, 5 def armor MPC Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor Overs on, 20 def armor HPC Bring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DULL Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannie Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 what/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slushpuppy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 ? what/ It is quite obvious i am looking for feedback.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leen Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 75cb seems correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpler Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Looks alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMT Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 75 combat for lpc not mpc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashville Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 83 cb plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koed Beastly Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 If you still haven't read my original topic: http://www.sharkbrew.com/community/index.php?/topic/29125-new-pure-clan-classification-the-solution-to-mains/ I am pleased with the response to the original update. Organically, 1 def is currently the best PVP build below 80~ combat, and I am delighted that majority of you are on the same viewport as Sharkbrew. While the clan classification update solves the problem of mains in the wildy by naturally reducing the combat levels, thus making LPCs/MPCs less susceptible to mains at mid-tier wilderness, there is the issue of clan wars events. The goal is to standardized prep/mini guidelines that will make it easier for clans to get events with each other(These guidelines are not absolute and clans are free to negotiate their own rules) For the following: I'll need your feedback on what should be the standardized rules Use the below template: XLPC: No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armor Seems okay for me LPC: No overs =< 60 combat cap, 1 def armor Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor 1-5 defence MPC Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor Overs on =< 88 combat and 1 -20 defence. HPC Everyone < 39 defence. Personally I have some doubts towards this classification since you put a maxed out 1 defence (cb level 101) under the LPC / MPC community in terms of wilderness pking. For clanning caps can be used as stated by slushpuppy Classification by defence instead of combat level doesnt just seems the answer for me. We used the classification by combat since the beginning so why changing it? And if you change it what other problems will turn up? It looks like it's a cure for a sympthom rather then facing the actuall problem. I know in the past huge efforts and attempts have been made to keep the pure scene clean and keep the mains at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EV Ice Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Quote **********************EDIT THE VALUES BELOW********************************* @@slushpuppy XLPC: No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armorLPC: Overs on =< 82 combat, 10 def armorMPC Overs on =< 92 combat, 20 def armorHPC Bring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBean Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 XLPC: No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armor LPC: No overs =< 60 combat cap, 1 def armor Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor Overs on, 5 def armor MPC Overs on =< 83/89 combat, 1 def armor Overs on, 20 def armor HPC Everyone GO main refresh the scene ezpz If not ^ then make it main free and bring none of them. and stick to 1-39 defense only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holiday Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Since summoning or prayers arent a thing anymore I dont even understand why 30+ defense is allowed in the 1st place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slushpuppy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Personally I have some doubts towards this classification since you put a maxed out 1 defence (cb level 101) under the LPC / MPC community in terms of wilderness pking.For clanning caps can be used as stated by slushpuppy Classification by defence instead of combat level doesnt just seems the answer for me. We used the classification by combat since the beginning so why changing it? And if you change it what other problems will turn up? It looks like it's a cure for a sympthom rather then facing the actuall problem. I know in the past huge efforts and attempts have been made to keep the pure scene clean and keep the mains at home. Classifying clans via their def level is a natural def limiter. The only advantage a 99 attack/99 prayer 1 def pure would have over his 75 attack ags pure counterpart is the ability to keep prayers up for longer & maybe a slight increase in accuracy. At such high CB, the 101 will be extremely vulnerable to mains in the wilderness. Additionally, if the 101 attacks the 87, both accounts have the same max hit and low def so it is fairer than the current system where an 87 1 def pure may have to deal with a 30 def who will have agloves, finished MM2 and can use OP weapons like ballista. Noted the rest of your recommendation, will shortlist the results and poll it later this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramie Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 mpc 88 combat not 75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannie Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 @@slushpuppy XLPC: No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armor - yes LPC: 1. Overs on =<75 cap, 1def arm, 1-4def cap. - yes MPC Overs on =< 88 combat, 1 def armor, 1-4def cap.- yes Overs on, =< 88 combat, 1-20 def armor, 1-20def cap.- yes HPC Bring mains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mg F T W Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 This won't work. The problem stems from various sources. Off the top of my mind: The categorization of pures appears counterintuitive (e.g. MM would be considered an MPC?) Assume a member of an MPC clan was hacked to 30 defence. Also assume that the clan keeps him in. It seems odd to say they are now an HPC because of 1 instance of a 30 def pure. I also do not think that the member's defence will outweigh his ties to the clan he wants to be a part of. The fact that clans will be labelled something different from what they currently are now does not change the fact that clans will bring mains. For example, how will classifying EOP, CP (or whomever) as an HPC stop them from bringing mains? It's not a matter of classifying pures differently, it's about motivating the community to change their standards. It's a matter of each clan agreeing to abide by certain norms and conventions. But what incentives do they have? Given that they have pures already over 20 defence, I don't think they want to create other accounts. There seems to be three ways to proceed: Work with Jagex to enforce standards (whatever they may be) Embrace the fact that the state of affairs dictate "pure" clans ought to become mains. Change standards to a hybrid clan (1-99 defence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manboob69 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 39 def cap for hpc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyendinaga Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 In the long run you may be able to save LPC's by preventing anything over 88 combat. It's silly to try and change anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashville Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 MPC 88 CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varrock Square Gypsy Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 XLPC:YES No overs, =<60 combat cap, 1 def armor LPC:YES No overs =< 60 combat cap, 1 def armor Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor Overs on, 5 def armor MPC- should not exist. Affects lpc(overleveled invites for wildly trips aka maxed 60/75att pures ). This should just be merged with hpc or be used to replace useless 30-39 def accounts (after 6-12 months of mpc to transition people out of their 39def accounts into real pures HPC- 39def is not a pure. That's why everyone brings a main for trips(including myself) Tannie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 LPC 65< CB MPC any1 1def HPC 30 def kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steezy Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Scrap the idea of MPC. There's zero need for that many brackets and creates too many multi clanners making cancer accs to compete in both. Cap LPC at 78/83 to allow for maxed 50-60 atk pures. AGS pures belong in the HPC scene. Hulk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibro Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 @@slushpuppy XLPC: No overs, =<65 combat cap, 1 def armor LPC: Overs on =< 75 combat, 1 def armor MPC Overs on =< 87 combat, 1 def armor HPC Anything goes (39- def) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exzrts Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 I agree 75 CB cap for loc so that leaves the 80 CB + to mpc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 thought we just had a meeting about this yesterday and concluded there was no need for MPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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