Deep Thought Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Why does no one do fullouts anymore? Pre-EOC there were a handful of fullouts every year. Further back in time, there were Raw List and later PCT (Pure Clan Tournament) fullouts for most clans in both servers. I don't believe too many clans these days would be able to get 100 (when did that even become a prereq to fullout) and it would be interesting to see more 60 v. 60+ clan wars fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phebz Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Shame FO declined both F2P and P2P fullouts against EoP... Would have been epic. Asuna, Law Abiding Citizen and GODS HOLY WORK 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Propaganda keeps EoP members entertained so they don't need action and there is also a huge gap from #2 and #3. Phebz, Holiday and slime 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 You're so new @Deep Thought Deep Thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadows Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Several issues with those two these days. Raw list was an idea, which didn't go through. SB host tournaments which are similar to PCT, just not as big as there aren't that many clans to pull 50+ to cw consistently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Kamal Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 2015-2018 clanning scene has been a garbage era filled with beta cucks who are afraid to fight. Even the worst collective of warrers can now claim #1 by avoiding preps, fullouts and relying on mains and pull. brown sticky stuffty era with brown sticky stuffty clans tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 In the eyes of pretty much all current leaders there's too much at stake to do a fullout. In other words: most are too scared. Haven't seen fullouts in ages.. I can't even remember the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizon Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 we have to do 2v2/3v3 fullouts cause only a few clans can pull 100+ if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I agree foe did decline both of our fullouts declarations and now have become a main clan in a pathetic attempt to compete. Sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exzrts Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Thought Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 58 minutes ago, Shadows said: Several issues with those two these days. Raw list was an idea, which didn't go through. SB host tournaments which are similar to PCT, just not as big as there aren't that many clans to pull 50+ to cw consistently The raw list was KING way back in the day, people just make sad excuses as to why it wouldn't work today. As for SB tournaments vs. PCT do not tell me clans used to be able to pull 50+ more back then. There were tons of MPCs and that routinely pulled maybe 30-45 each weekend and 25-35 for preps (very similar to now) who would get together for the matched fights (no limit, just had to sit to the lower clan) and fullouts (Only top 3 or so clans pulled 100) during PCT. Most MPCs pulled in the 45-70 range to fullouts, but they still did them. There is some fake rational floating around here that if you cannot pull 100 to a fullout, then why do one. I simply do not understand it. Beyond that people keep just defaulting to "that will never work" rather than giving it a real shot. Ultimately, we have 10-12 open clans who can all reasonably pull 30 to a prep. It comes down to whether the ranks in the previously mentioned clans can sack up and make something work or if they would rather avoid action all together. Ir0ny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPALESKIEWOLF Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Ted said: Propaganda keeps EoP members entertained so they don't need action and there is also a huge gap from #2 and #3. LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demais Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Ted said: Propaganda keeps EoP members entertained so they don't need action and there is also a huge gap from #2 and #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Thought Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Ted said: Propaganda keeps EoP members entertained so they don't need action and there is also a huge gap from #2 and #3. Then hopefully 4 and 5 will fullout or 7 and 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotkeying Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I honestly think the RAW list was the best pure clanning tourney of all time. Misfits Public Relations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holydreams Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 bring back the RAW list @Lenin Shadows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, holydreams said: bring back the RAW list @Lenin I was mainly a solo pker and pure skiller back in pre-eoc. Whats a RAW list and why did it end/obsolete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Abiding Citizen Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Lenin said: I was mainly a solo pker and pure skiller back in pre-eoc. Whats a RAW list and why did it end/obsolete? Because clans would claim to be at the top and then refuse to fight anybody 'lower' because they were afraid they were going to lose and their falsified ego would be damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, Law Abiding Citizen said: Because clans would claim to be at the top and then refuse to fight anybody 'lower' because they were afraid they were going to lose and their falsified ego would be damaged. But what is the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyendinaga Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lenin said: But what is the list? I will be implementing some concepts of the RAW list in my upcoming thread about improving clw competition, until then you can read about it here: https://www.sharkbrew.com/topic/16641-raw-list-re-posted/ basically it made #1 contestable and was the final word on clan standings - declarations were on clans better than your own and it determined your effective ranking based upon this list. instead of constantly prepping other clans to be considered better than another, you actually had to fight that other clan and beat them to take their spot. nICK1 and Law Abiding Citizen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holydreams Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lenin said: But what is the list? no, you can make it so if a clan below you declares on you then you are forced to fight if you want to keep your spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holydreams Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 @Lenin basically a list based off performances and results that is updated (at the end of every month is good) Clans within 2 spots of another clan on the ladder can declare on the clans above to try and take their spot the only thing is you need to make it for certain rules that accommodate all clans but implement a challenge for the lower ranked clans and lower pulling clans aka in this era of clanning maybe 40v40 as the minimum. then you have a ranking of clans from best to worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, holydreams said: no, you can make it so if a clan below you declares on you then you are forced to fight if you want to keep your spot 19 minutes ago, Tyendinaga said: I will be implementing some concepts of the RAW list in my upcoming thread about improving clw competition, until then you can read about it here: https://www.sharkbrew.com/topic/16641-raw-list-re-posted/ basically it made #1 contestable and was the final word on clan standings - declarations were on clans better than your own and it determined your effective ranking based upon this list. instead of constantly prepping other clans to be considered better than another, you actually had to fight that other clan and beat them to take their spot. 13 minutes ago, holydreams said: @Lenin basically a list based off performances and results that is updated (at the end of every month is good) Clans within 2 spots of another clan on the ladder can declare on the clans above to try and take their spot the only thing is you need to make it for certain rules that accommodate all clans but implement a challenge for the lower ranked clans and lower pulling clans aka in this era of clanning maybe 40v40 as the minimum. then you have a ranking of clans from best to worst o.O This actually seems like a solid idea but I'm guessing theres a lot of integration between CW and Wildy. The only problem as you guys have mentioned is dodging or ignoring which is a current problem we face with the COTM and declarations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holydreams Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lenin said: o.O This actually seems like a solid idea but I'm guessing theres a lot of integration between CW and Wildy. The only problem as you guys have mentioned is dodging or ignoring which is a current problem we face with the COTM and declarations as well. you'd have to separate clw and wildy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyendinaga Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, Lenin said: o.O This actually seems like a solid idea but I'm guessing theres a lot of integration between CW and Wildy. The only problem as you guys have mentioned is dodging or ignoring which is a current problem we face with the COTM and declarations as well. zero integration. wild is to have fun. clw is matched opts and should always be the standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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